was it the 6.2 and 6.5's that would crack heads easy ??
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was it the 6.2 and 6.5's that would crack heads easy ??
6.2's, but cool them properly, and that shouldn't be a problem. I've had five 6.2L blocks and only one had cracked heads and it was that way when I got it.
What size rad should I run?
Is there a vehicle I could get said rad from? (Stock one from a 6.2 powered vehicle would be okay I assume, any other options?)
Electric fans an option?
Transmission options... manuals... Munchie SM465 was mentioned, any others? I guess I could use my existing clutch pedal and resevoir?
What would be some ways to increase a 6.2s power, besides a turbo?
I'd have to make a custom exhaust, so I think, and intake and exhaust combo would be one way, what are some others? would like to keep decent fuel mileage..
Would I have to beef up the front crossmember? I'm guessing I'll have to brace the frame. I'm guessing I'd have to buy or make a transmission crossmember....
I'm thinking that a 6.2 stock would be a good power increase over stock, and I probably won't haul much in my truck, other than... haha.
I'll have to put a different, stronger rear end, and I think I've found a suitable swap.. 8.8 read end out of a Ford Exploder...
Anything else I'd have to upgrade?
I'd use a 6.5 turbo but fuel mileage... and my shop teacher says that the blades tend to come off the turbos or something like that..
How big is a 6.2 compared to a 350? I could make a tall cowl hood for my truck, if the engine would not fit height wise...
Converting a 1984 s10 from 4-banger gas to a 6.2L diesel engine can be done however there are a few things to consider: Added weight on front end—a 6.2L has a dry weight of 702lbs—will all suspension and steering handle it.; the added weight of the larger rad; trans and everything else to complete the project.; A rear end to handle the added torque.Will the frame handle all the weight and stress. Putting the 6.2L into that small of an area will create heating problems for an engine that likes to run on the cool side. The exhaust system is going to be a nightmare to install. And when done a truck that is not going to handle very well with a frontend that is overly heavy and no weight on the back end(makes for a fun time in the winter). One solution is to find a compatible sized diesel donner and do a swap that way. OR Use the s10 as a daily driver and look for a full size unit that is diesel all ready and build it up the way you want. A p/u or burb in the same year range will go for anywhere from 500 to 3500 depending of condition and options. I picked up (read stole) a 1985 ½ ton 4x4 with a new motor, transmission, trans-case for 2500 body in good shape—electrical left much to desire {see photo section-More toys}.
Good luck to you and if help is required do not be afraid to ask and we will help
Over the weekend i just traded my 6.2 blazer for a pair of Toyota diesel pickups......waiting for the razzing.....
But the little 4 cylinder in a mini truck like the toyota is about the right size diesel you would need for your S10. And the guy i'm getting these trucks from claims an easy 35 mpg city driving with the 2wd Toyota.
Just some more to think about.....
We've got small 2 cylinder, three and four cylinder diesels at work (airport ground support gear). Been thinking about getting something like a Kubota or Yanmar engine.
Just trying to find prices.
We have a lil Bobcat at work with a dump bed and it has a two or three cylinder Kubota.. Man its got jam!
Just the 4 cylinders I have looked at have under 100hp. I guess they make decent torque.
I think one of them has a turbo on it, and i guess I could replace it with a larger turbo in hopes of more power?
I'm intrested in evenutally running some kinda veggie oil setup.
http://www.kubotaengine.com/products...00di_t_e3.html
http://www.yanmar.com/store/item.asp...PARTMENT_ID=55
Gopher, where you @ in alberta?
I'm guessing these are gunna be a few thousand to tens of thousands each huh...
6.2 to 'yota? Yeesh, and I thought that Albertans were Canada's last hope. :p :D
Oh well, gotta understand the pursuit for better milage. I'm looking at an 03/04 Jetta TDI.
Haahaha.
Working around diesels all day (cept for 200ci 6cyl Fords) is getting me more into diesels..
I love the sound...
I DEFINITELY LOVE THE SOUND OF THE OLD GM DETROITS... mannnn screamin' jimmys... the firetrucks have them at the airport..:D
I don't think a diesel 4cylinder would fit from yanmar.. trying to get measuerments of the 2.2 engine and stuff.
I know one of there 3 cylinders will fit but... its 35hp...
Gearstix, I'm actually from a small town called Two Hills, maybe you've heard of it. I hang around Edmonton quite a bit and of course wherever else i get sent for work.
On a side note.....I don't suppose you have any good 4-53 or 6V-53 Detroits floating around the airport stuff there??? Been looking for one for a project.....
And yeah, about the Toyota......that 6.2 performed awesome off-road, the engine itself never let me down, just the vehicle surrounding it. but the vehicle surrounding the engine seemed like way too much work for me and my schedule to really get into fixing. A good trade for a couple of trucks, not very common ones at that, seemed like a good idea....
The good fuel mileage of the 2wd is just a bonus:D
Only Detroit we have at the shop we work at is a 8.2L normally asperated detroit in a ford cabover with an alison automatic.
One of the firetrucks has a two stroke detroit I think I mentioned, I love the sound of it roaring by everyday.
Whats the chances of finding a 6.2 in Edmonton or surrounding area?
Our travel plans have changed and we might not make it to BC but were gunna see when we hit the road...
http://http://edmontonjeep.com/forum...pic.php?t=4652
here you go for $800........i'm not sure if its still for sale or not though.
hmmm.
I'm not really sure if I can get a trailer to tow now.
If I do a diesel swap, I want to figure out everything I need.
I'm worried about a transmission. Not sure what will fit, or work. I'm not sure if I want automatic or stick. Its a stick truck now, so would I be able to retain all the pedal and stuff now? I got the rear end figured out. I'm going to use a 4x4 94 up i think ford explorer posi rear.
I would like to use a four cylinder, because its not as heavy (don't think so at least)
Id like to turbo it aswell.
I'm thinking if I were to do a V8 diesel it would be a 6.2 with 6.5 or homebuilt turbo setup.
theres alot of things I'm not 100% sure about.
Went to the NADP August blackout. I love the power that diesels put out, the turbo spooling, the smoke, the noise. I would love to have a diesel in my truck.
A Toyota diesel would probably a decent setup. Toyota engine, and whatever transmission will fit that. I'd definitley want a turbo.
Found a 1L toyota diesel in Calgary, with trans but trans needs to be rebuilt. Comes with mounts, rad, intake, wiring, glow plug gear... might buy it..
Check on parts availability for the tranny. My Toyota shop - I've been friends with the owner for years - steered me away from a Toyota motorhome because the transmission is almost impossible to get parts for.
I have a 1984 Toyota 2wd pickup with a 2L (2.4 litre, 2L is just the engine name). Its in pretty darn good shape for its age and it starts and runs like a clock......and your in luck because I'm kinda wanting to get rid of it.
You can send me an email at ssapach@hotmail.com and I can send you some pics if you like.
If you seriously want that engine in your chevy, it will have all the parts to make it run. It would just seem like a shame to rip apart a truck like that just for an engine.
I have this thing posted up for sale a few places. So, not to be pushy or anything, but first guy wanting it bad enough and has the cash gets it.
hmm. I'm not really sure if I'd be able to buy the stuff from you gopher.
Don't take it off the market.. if it sells and I don't buy it, Oh well.
I've got another 6.2 question.
If I get a 6.2, could I use a small block chevrolet transmission, that would have been bolted to a gas engine?
I asked another member of a forum I'm on about a diesel S series conversion, he has a older style s10 with a 6.5 TD.
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Quote: Originally Posted by Gearstix Hello.
I'm interested in swapping a 6.2L mechanical GM diesel into my 1994 Sonoma. Its 2WD, and I won't be off-roading with it.
I see that you have a 6.5.
I've been told that I can use small block chevy engine mounts and stuff, is this true?
Is there any difficulty fitting the diesel into the truck?
What do you use for cooling?
What suspension/frame mods would I have to do to make the front end support all that weight? I know my application is a bit different than yours, since yours is 4wd and you use it for off-roading.
anything else that would help me?
Thanks alot.
Have you read through my "It's Alive" thread? If not, read through the last post on this page http://www.s10forum.com/forum/f134/i...11/index3.html, it covers what I did to mine to get it in there, but your's will have a few tweaks.
If the 6.2 has the same starter as mine, the drivers side mount you mentioned will work, but the passenger side motor mount has to be moved forward to clear the starter.
That post in my thread should cover the next two questions.
As far as the frame and suspension mods, I think the S10 frame and suspension is up to it if you add stronger coils and shocks to the front end.
The biggest issue that I see you having is fitting it in under the hood. Mine has a body lift and no cross member underneath the engine and it's tight. If you measure how much room you have between that cross member and the bottom of your hood, I can measure the hiegth of my engine and it will give you a good idea.
If you have any other questions or if I missed anything, don't hesitate to ask, I'll help you any way that I can."
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Quote: Originally Posted by Gearstix Do you know how much bigger it is than a 350?
When I pulled the 350 out of mine, I sat it beside the 6.5 and was shocked and nervous about how much bigger it was. I didn't measure either, but I would say that the diesel is as big as a big block. Probably not what you wanted to hear."
I've sent him another message...
Seems to be a few people swapping 6.5s into S10s. Here is a post in the photo forum of another one: http://www.thedieselpageforums.com/t...ad.php?t=32502
Curiously, neither one really shows any detail of the engine swap. The S10 forum link you posted has quite a few pictures of the rear suspension but just a couple gratuitous shots of the engine compartment from the top. I'd think that shoehorning a 6.5 into something that small would be worth a few photos of how it was done...
I was looking at some of the military 6.2s on ebay, and I'm thinking the exhaust manifolds that they use might work for my application, or just use oem ones.
http://i18.ebayimg.com/04/i/001/02/c2/3971_1.JPG
I'm not sure if theres more clearance with these or the originals.
Thats a yes. If you go for the H1 or center mount van turbo exhaust they tuck into the block even tighter. The stock manifolds on the passenger side had some real clearance issues with the frame of the Buick, due to the dog leg into the rest of the exhaust. Ended up with a turbo H1 on the right and a center dump from a NA van on the drivers side. If you go duals, use an X pipe after the tranny tail or rear cross member (less boom). If you go single, it is easier if you use the same place to cross over to your collector. If you go turbo...your on your own.
Bill
I was thinking of doing a remote mount turbo after I got it all stuffed in and running.
But I still cannot find out what I'll need to take the longblock 6.2 im getting, and make it into a drop in turn key engine.
Its really bugging me... I don't want to get the engine shipped up here, make the guy go out of his way, offload it, and trailer it home and be like where do I go from here?
Military take-outs will usually include everything, pan to covers. No electrical or fuel system, or complete fuel system. Rarely with accessories (water/PS pumps or alt, don't even ask about A/C). You should be able to find out by contacting the seller before making a bid. If you're lucky, you'll end up with a rebuild-able core. Much of the time, the best part of the bargain is the box they come in (if it's a military shipping crate). There are good deals on the Ebay sales, but most of the time, they are not. Finding one locally is a much better prospect. Contrary to rumor (and seller claims), the military isn't replacing good engines. Not on purpose, anyway.
I was just looking at them to try and see what components I'd need to finish a longblock '82 4 bolt 6.2 I'm getting from a member here, and look at what the engine looks like assembled.
I did not have any photos of the engine compartment because I made the foolish mistake of bolting in the motor with the 350 conversion mounts before I got the starter. If the frame is modified to use the mount location on the motor before install then starter fitment is a non issue. Also, the lift pump on the older motors is mechanical and did not clear on my frame. I used an electric lift pump. You will also need to remove the factory FI pump in the tank and modify the sender to make up the length of the pump. Heater box mods for clearance are necessary and a/c might be out of the question. Allin all the work involved was not that much more than most 350 conversions. Good luck.
pics of 6.2 on ebay
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Parts...ayphotohosting
I was told you have to move the passenger side engine mount ahead, 4 inches if I remeber right.
would I have to mess with the fuel tank, if I run a fuel cell or something?
My truck has no A/C, has heat and P/S. thats it. Its a pretty base model.
Did you use the 2.8 V6 mounts, and then the 350 plates or whatever that allow you to bolt a v8 to the 2.8 mounts?
I'm probably going to use a cowl hood, if it would help clearance.
If the original truck was carburated or used throttle body injection, then you won't have to change out the in-tank pump. Pressure is fine for the IP. It's only the newer multi-port injection systems that use the high pressure pumps. Ran the Buick on the in-tank for about 2 years until it went to greener pastures. Replaced it with an in-line pump from NAPA for about 50 bucks. The new pump draws through the old pump fine. No need to even drop the tank. Kept the chassis fuel filter in place as added insurance, though it is a pain to replace, and used the older style box type diesel filter used in the earlier models of 6.2 trucks.
Bill
My truck is a fuel injected four cylinder right now.
http://www.s10v8.com/store/product_i...products_id/49
Can I use that? it has an adjustable regulator.
I was just thinking about brakes with the diesel, and it was mentioned that id have to convert to a hydroboost configuration.
I'm pretty sure I saw something about a vaccum pump that would let you use the original brakes.
You could use an electric vacuum pump designed for it. They are noisy, and don't last long.
So the best way to setup the brakes would be a hydroboost setup?
is there any other issues like this when converting from gas > diesel?
Well I have found a 6.2.
Were moving into a new house soon too, and I get my own garage bay.. yay.
So I'll have space to work on it.
Should I go ahead with getting the engine and gathering the parts?
I'm a bit worried, but I tend to overthink things.
Plus I'm not in a rush so..
You have to start somewhere. Lofty goals often lead to very acceptable results. Once you have the engine staring at you, it has to go somewhere. It depends on you determination from there.