Dyno Testing Edge vs. Banks vs. Superchips

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Dyno Testing Edge vs. Banks vs. Superchips

Ok, I can

[GT]

Great Looking forward to the out come and I'm sure others are to.

[Kennedy]

I have a pretty good idea what the outcome will be...

I was actually hoping to get the Superchips tuner to load on my truck. I tried it once, lost patience, and set it aside.

Banks 6 gun is decent on level 6. Not killer, but solid. The lower levels acted wierd on my truck though. Absolutely repeatable too.

The guys at K&S have a pretty good handle on dyno testing the Dmax. I logged well over 100 runs on their dyno. :cool:

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JK you are welcome, (encouraged even smile.gif !), to attend. I know that K&S is up there in your neck of the woods. Do you have any tips on how to get consistent results? The guys at K&S are great and should be very helpful.

Thanks,

Mark

[Kennedy]

I think they should have their rollers knurled by then. This should help a bunch!

Depends what is going on that weekend. Been busy getting acquainted with my own dyno.

May try to sneak up there and see if my findings are consistent. It seems that the Hot Juice MAY have even more power than we've thought as it seems I've gained considerable HP just from trans beefing...

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I am driving up Friday night and plan on getting started Saturday morning around 8:00. Something must be going on in Wausau because some of the hotels I have checked are booked up. I won

[MAV]

I'll try to get over there too. Its only 3 miles from my house. Got the Quad 135 in...

[Amianthus]

So, umm, is this going to be a private party, or can anybody crash it?

Mav, up for a rematch? ;) Just for fun, of course. :D

(This is assuming I get my lift pump gremlins slayed by then)

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[Greg McCall]

Kennedy.......
Hot Juice has more power with tranny upgrade ?
That would be an interesting subject.
Maybe someone could do this testing. I am in that boat, but I have never dynoed.

[Kennedy]

I haven't had enough time or other trucks on the rollers to make any definite statements, but from what I've seen, the Hot Juice always tended to lean towards torque, with excellent HP, just not quite as high as some others, particularly the TST Comp. Recent runs show the Hot Attitude neck and neck with the TST Comp. I did update my ATS trans system which MAY be helping to extract the full potential of the Juice.

Again, I need some more time to get acquainted, but basically mid 450's and Low to mid 900's on TQ with a single module uncorrected from a low 250's and low 450's baseline...

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Originally posted by Amianthus:
So, umm, is this going to be a private party, or can anybody crash it?I talked with Jason at K&S when I set this all up. I asked if he would prefer to keep this low key, or allow anyone to see what was going on. He did not mind others attending. I think the more the merrier, as long as everyone remains orderly. I am not a good judge of how long these things will take, so I do not know if others will be able to run also. I am sure that Jason would be happy to have paying customers run on their dyno, which is no different than any other day.

If there is interest let it be known, and I will talk Jason into staying open and what the rates would be. I just checked their web site and they do not have Saturday hours listed.

Mark

[Amianthus]

Cool. I'm tearing out my lift pump right now to have it rebuilt. It should take about a week to turn it around. That's gonna make it pretty close. But if I can make it, I will.

[DSTRBD]

Got room for one more? I should have my LLY by friday and I would like to get some stock numbers on it.

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I talked with Jason today at K&S. He wants to be gone by noon, so he does not want to open the dyno to others Saturday. :( He said that he will have a

[Kennedy]

Huck,

Have you found the need to pull Onstar fuses to load the Superchips tuner?

I tried to load one and it wouldn't go. There was no mention in the SC destructions, but I did as Diablo recommends and found no change.

I can load the Diablo and Quad in/out without messing with the fuses, so I'm thinking it was just a bad tuner. Just curious...

If you run out of fuel, rubber, or toys to try, have Jason call me. I'd like to compare my recent numbers to his dyno and see if they add up. For now, I plan to spin a few other boxes like the Superchips etc on my toy...

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I have not run into that problem with the SC tuners.

Quad is sending me one of his boxes to throw into the mix. I will have lots of information to share Monday.

I have installed an exhaust system and K&N intake system. Gauges should be in and hopefully a Stanadyne FM 100 plus the Racor kit for our trucks. I will have a bypass hose in place for the majority of the testing to keep the results similar to what most people would find. I will run some with the FM 100 and Racor filters hooked up to see if there are any differences with them. We are busy and my truck is the last to be worked on.

Hope to see some people from this board show up! It should be fun.

[DSTRBD]

Man, wish there was more room for runs. I just picked it up today. Maybe I will swing by anyhow. How far of a drive is it from the twin cities, in hours?

[Amianthus]

About three, I think. You should show up. These kind of events are always a hoot!

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The results are in! First of all, I must thank Jason from K&S for all the help. He has a top notch shop and everyone should stop in if they are in the area. May 22 he is having a

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I almost forgot. The trip North from Milwaukee to Wausau with the cruse set at 71 MPH and the RPM around 2200 the computer said I got 20.4 miles per gallon. The dyno runs averaged 8.0 MPG. The trip back to Milwaukee with the Edge installed and on level 4, I got 23.7 MPG.

Mark

[Kennedy]

Stock numbers are what I typically see there most times. If you like, I'm sure Jason could pull up some of my runs for comparison sake. I've had days where 250's were stock, and days where 239 was stock.

I'd bet the HJAT was either slipping on the rollers or limiting due to trans slip. Slip should be less than 1%. Are there any dips in the curve? The 125 juice puts out similar HP numbers and about 100# more TQ with peak at 2200-2400RPM and significantly higher EGT in my experience.

Most others are as predicted except the Superchips seems a bit low. Sure it wasn't the Tow Perf level? Sure is a SLOW tuner to load isn't it?

Banks gains on L6 was consistent compared to mine except no Speed Loader in my testing, at 1300

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Originally posted by kennedy:
Stock numbers are what I typically see there most times. If you like, I'm sure Jason could pull up some of my runs for comparison sake. I've had days where 250's were stock, and days where 239 was stock.

I'd bet the HJAT was either slipping on the rollers or limiting due to trans slip. Slip should be less than 1%. Are there any dips in the curve? The 125 juice puts out similar HP numbers and about 100# more TQ with peak at 220-2400RPM and significantly higher EGT in my experience. Both are possible. The rollers were not knurled yet, and I did see more than 1% slip for brief moments during the run. No drastic dips in the graph though.


Most others are as predicted except the Superchips seems a bit low. Sure it wasn't the Tow Perf level? Sure is a SLOW tuner to load isn't it? I am sure of the settings. The Superchips is what I am used to. The Quad did not seem to go much faster, or be so much different to notice.

[quote][b] Banks gains on L6 was consistent compared to mine except no Speed Loader in my testing, at 1300

[Colorado Kid]

Thanks for the info Huck.

I believe Kennedy's point about the DIC MPG is that the Juice is adding fuel that the ECM doesn't see, so the DIC is VERY optimistic (in other words, useless) when the Juice is on. I'm afraid that from now on you'll have to do the math to have any idea what your MPG is.

[Kennedy]

For Comparison sake, some interesting similarities, and some definite differences. Some can be the way the test is performed. and some can be truck differences.


Stock, 237.6 HP, 3000 RPM, 1000 EGT, 22 PSI, 452.9 lb-ft

My truck =257HP 452TQ and 250.6HP 433.1TQ (2004 stock LB7)


Superchips Tow Safe, 268.4 HP, 2700 RPM, 1100 EGT, 22 PSI, 559.5 lb-ft

My truck = 303HP 535TQ


Superchips High Performance, 298.6 HP, 2700 RPM, 1200 EGT, 25 PSI, 629.4 lb-ft


My truck = 367.8HP 624.9 TQ


Quadzilla 70, 314.8 HP, 3100 RPM, 1200 EGT, 22 PSI, 591.4 lb-ft

My truck= 320HP 586 TQ

Banks Six Gun w/Speed Loader Level #6, 333.4 HP, 2900 RPM, 1200 EGT, 24 PSI, 699.6 lb-ft,

My truck =343HP 722TQ no speed loader


Quadzilla 135, 387 HP, 2700 RPM, 1500 EGT, 25 PSI, 771.3 lb-ft

My truck= 404HP 798 TQ


Edge Hot Juice w/ Attitude Level #1, 301.5 HP, 2900 RPM, 1100 EGT, 22 PSI, 626.5 lb-ft

My truck = 311HP 631TQ and 297.4HP 575.4 TQ (2004 LB7 stock)


Edge Hot Juice w/ Attitude Level #5, 394.6 HP, 2900 RPM, 1300 EGT, 26 PSI, 729.8 lb-ft

My truck = 406HP 805 TQ v4.61 Hot (125 rated) HJAT5 do you REALLY wanna know??? ;)

[Minn-kota]

Was the Quad the latest version?

[Kennedy]

Yes it was the latest.

One thing I'll point out is that the RPM at which max levels were recorded will vary. Best example is the SC tow safe, my peak HP was at 3172RPM.

I typically test 40-75mph over 12or15 seconds. The Super Flow also allows me to "mat it" and let things normalize before starting the test. That way the truck has it's shoulder into the load from the onset.

I'd like to add: I don't think it affects power any, BUT I have a Duramaximizer set to 0 on the truck at present. I'll be looking to remove it (PITA) and recheck against my baseline, and if necessary a couple of tunes...

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We started out testing at ten seconds and running 50 to 75 MPH, but my transmission wanted to shift, even though we had it set in fourth with the scan tool.

I have noticed the truck running better and better with more miles and shifts. When I first got home after running the expressway and cruse on, the shifting was not what I expected. Now it feels more aggressive and pulls harder thru the shifts. I have it set on level three thinking that would help. I will go up a notch later. I don

[Kennedy]

Consider an overdrive lockout. With that, the 4-5 upshift is commanded to 7368rpm! :eek: or so...


Sometimes the Mustang is behind your actual wheel speed and when you think your done, it is not. Typically, the shift will occur, but won't show in the test window. If you had short tires, this would also play in.


Gonna see what we can do with Victory Red and Forced Induction's trucks this Saturday...

[sdaver]

great post good information