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burb's parked, can't justify filling a 41gallon tank at 3.59.....
I'm with you on that note!!
Mine's parked as we speak also...went from a daily driver to use as needed. My poor, tired VW has been pressed into full service @35mpg. Now I take the train and walk to work!
Diesel Jetta in the future, burban will remain weekend family assault vehicle.
paid 2.83 in Nh on Weds...biodiesel @2.90
enjoy!
sturgeon-phish
10-21-2005, 14:00
Returned from a 1764 mile vacation last week. Cheapest fuel was $3.09. Spent more on fuel than camping fees, food and all other vacation related expenses combined. But, I'd do it again. The UP is beautiful!!!
DA BIG ONE
10-21-2005, 15:22
$3.99 here in the cess pool of America.
Diesel Dan
10-22-2005, 03:55
Diesel around here is $3.22-3.49, unleaded is in the $2.45-2.55 range.
Parked my trucks as well and picked up a '98 Boneville with 3800 for a work car.
TurboDiverArt
10-23-2005, 06:05
Wow, why the difference? In NJ, Diesel is $2.69 as of yesterday. Gas is a few cents higher.
Art.
$3.23 gallon at Truck Stop in Utah. What happened to being less then unleaded ??
TurboDiverArt
10-24-2005, 16:50
Originally posted by BRIM:
$3.23 gallon at Truck Stop in Utah. What happened to being less then unleaded ?? Since it's getting cold we're getting to the point where we compete with heating oil because the petroleum industry can't figure it out that we enough diesel and heating oil to go around....
Art.
Eurpoe has a significant number of diesel cars, in some areas as high as 80%. It seams that diesel can be sold in Europe at a higher price, even discounting for the high taxes, than here so thats were it is being shipped and thats who we are competeing with.
So much for a world economy.
Dimsdale
10-28-2005, 15:44
It is taxes that cause most of the high Diesel prices, pure and simple, either here or in Europe. That is slapped on top of whatever the oil industry charges to refine it, so shipping to Europe should net no significant profit gain over that of US sales. In fact, Diesel fuel in Europe is a premium product, with cetane ratings at least 10 points higher, and makes American Diesel fuel look like bottom scrapings in comparison. Diesel is still cheaper to make than gasoline, but we do compete with the heating oil market, so prices tend to spike in the fall and winter. If the envirowhackos would let us build more refineries, with higher efficiencies and much cleaner, this would be much less an issue.
The government simply wants to apply a secret tax onto all products, and that is most effectively done via a Diesel fuel tax, which is passed onto the customers, because Diesel powered vehicles move virtually every product in the country. It is a secret tax, collected via product prices rather than an obvious tax. Europe taxes all of its fuel a great deal, but Diesel is significantly cheaper. That, coupled with the obvious savings with Diesel engine fuel economy, makes it a great deal for the Europeans. That is also why they have such fabulous Diesel cars and trucks and we don't. There is demand that we don't have, both from a lack of fear of Diesels, and fuel cost savings.
Sadly, in states like Massachusetts, who have this ignorant and unnatural need to emulate California and its strict emission regs, not allow the sale of light duty Diesel cars and trucks as of 2004, only 3/4 ton and above, yet they have no problem with public transportation, which spews more particulate pollution from one bus than scores of VW TDIs! Really smart when fuel prices are so damnably high, huh? And this is coming to your state in a few years, so don't be too quick to laugh!
Maybe the situation will change when ultra low sulfur Diesel is mandated across the country. Of course, it will undoubtedly cost more.
It is time to start writing to your "representatives" and tell them that they are simply foolish and uninformed. Politely, of course! ;) It can't hurt.
A faux VAT? I never thought about it that way.
I also don't think BIO should be as high as it is now.
My Sub is going to be demoted to weekend cruiser status. Looking for a new daily driver, possibly my brother-in-law's Volvo S60R when his lease is up.
john8662
10-28-2005, 19:26
Originally posted by Dimsdale:
It is time to start writing to your "representatives" and tell them that they are simply foolish and uninformed. Politely, of course! ;) It can't hurt. Bingo!
Thats exactly what I intend to do, and more.
I think it's finally time in the U.S. to consider Diesel fuel as more than the "alternative" to gasoline. It's simply foolish to rely upon just a certain percentage of Diesel fuel production from a few refineries to provide for the nation. I am for building more refineries, but, why build when "big oil" can make a big profit because there isn't enough faclilities to refine the oil, causing the supply and demand situation we're all so sick of now...
Alternatives?
If I was a trucker, I'd slow my driving down, get better fuel economy, quit buying so much of this "greed laced" Diesel fuel and make a point.
Also, take a more serious approach to using alternative sources for diesel fuel, like the purified biodiesel made from soy or cotton seed oil.
I'm not too keen on driving my diesels (all I own by the way) to help make someone involved in political greed's wallet any fatter.
DA BIG ONE
10-28-2005, 22:29
I still think we get the worst diesel fuel herein the sub-tropics no matter how much paid, for some unknown reason it gets better when we get up to around Brevard County which is about midway up the coast. For a long time I had thought it might be the hot climate here, but the fuel from up north allows the motor to run better and get best milage when used down here, notice this even with the premium gas.
jspringator
10-29-2005, 07:57
I have been driving my 1990 Miata every day to work. When $50 won't get you a half tank, its time to drive it only once or twice a week.
Last week Diesel was $3.49/gallon - today - I saw it drop to $2.99/gallon - Anyone else have a big drop?
And the old burb is parked too - I'm waiting on parts and diesel to go down.
Kevin
Diesel at the pumps here is $1.11 a liter. Gas is selling for 89 cents a liter. Multiply by four to get a equivalent to US gallon. Diesel was 10 cents cheaper, jumped 30 cents overnight. :(
Dropped my speed down to 60 from 70.. mileage improved by 20%.. so, price per mile driven still the same. :cool:
K.D.
Check this out, perhaps the tide has turned.
https://webmail.plus.net/parse.pl?redirect=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.dieselforum.org %2Fnews-center%2Fnews-releases%2F072905-clean-diesel-vehicles-now-eligible-for-same-tax%2F
Here in Cotton Country; Diesel is $2.99 and unleaded is $2.239
I remember back in the early 70's when gas .439 and Farm Diesel was .199 and kerosene was a nickel a gallon.
Dezman125
10-30-2005, 07:41
In the great white north
Reagular Unleaded $1.15
Diesel $1.12
Home heating fuel $1.04
All prices are for a liter
Having no problem with home heating oil ($1.97). Just bump the cetane with a little stanadyne winter treat and the burb loves it.
DA BIG ONE
10-31-2005, 00:42
Down to $3.23 now..
Diesel 2.85 today
Saw unleaded for 2.35! (shell unleaded ta boot!)
go figure...go biodiesel!
arveetek
11-01-2005, 06:06
Prices are dropping fast around here!
Last week diesel was $3.20, unleaded $2.05.
Last night at Flying J in Joplin, MO, diesel was $2.55, unleaded $1.98!
Hope they keep falling!!
Casey
DA BIG ONE
11-01-2005, 07:45
Originally posted by arveetek:
Prices are dropping fast around here!
Last week diesel was $3.20, unleaded $2.05.
Last night at Flying J in Joplin, MO, diesel was $2.55, unleaded $1.98!
Hope they keep falling!!
Casey Good news, hope to see drop here soon!
arveetek
11-02-2005, 13:59
Fuel prices continue to drop in Missouri...
At the same Flying J today, diesel was $2.47, and unleaded $1.94! Hope the trend continues....
I already saved $20 on one tank full of diesel for my work truck, compared to when I last filled up.
Casey
fastcat800
11-03-2005, 07:50
$2.99 here yesterday ($3.29 a couple of days ago)and gas is $2.10. They are really sticking it to us!
The other day I sent my wife out to fill a 6 gallon jug for the tractor. (Couldn't afford to drive to the place that has off-road fuel.)
She came back and told me that she paid $2.15 a gallon. Wonder what she bought? The tractor seems to run fine...
No fast dropping prices here in the west yet.
Diesel hit $2.99 gallon this am.
Wish it would come down as fast as it went up:)
DA BIG ONE
11-06-2005, 22:44
I paid $2.89 per gal in Melborne "Brevard County" can't remember last time I paid so little, price in my AO still up above $3.20.
arveetek
11-07-2005, 06:22
Prices still continue to drop here in Missouri....
Diesel down to $2.41, and unleaded at $1.90. That was Friday night, I don't know if they changed over the weekend or not.
Casey
Prices are still high here in "The Great White North" (although Tuesday this week, we were the same temperature here, as in Orlando Florida, but The weatherman says that we are going to get a good taste of winter starting tomorrow) :eek: . Diesel this morning was U.S.$3.19 per U.S. gallon, and regular gas was U.S.$2.35. When I bought my truck in 1998, diesel was about .20 cents a gallon higher than gas, but it changed the other way for over 7 years. (till now).
:confused:
This a.m. regular unleaded was at $1.94. Diesel was at $2.47. It's getting a little more affordable to fill it up after a price high of $3.50 :eek:
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