greatwhite
04-23-2014, 03:48
Truck died while driving today.
Of course, I'm on a long trip again. It's just the love/hate this truck and I have. It loves to hate on me at the worst possible times.
It fishbit once on the highway and my antennae went up. Kicked a couple more times and I dove for the next off ramp. Died completely halfway down. Fiddled around a bit with some obvious things, no start. Swapped the spare pmd in, no start. Cracked #1 injector line off. No fuel. Starter is cranking slow, but its been getting slower over the week so I just figured it was on the way out.
Getting despondent, I hit the starter again and the truck starts. I make immediate plans to get somewhere where I can do more intense work on it. Truck sees the glimmer of hope in my eye and decides it won't allow me to have hope. It stalls out again. This time it is resolute: it will not start. Batteries are nearly drained now anyways.
So, I have it flatbedded to my moms house an hour away. There goes 150 bucks.
Getting dark now, so not a lot of time.
Crack off #1 again. No fuel.
Fuses - check
Pmd - check
PMD harness - check (metered)
PMD voltages - check
Lift pump pressure - check, 10 psi (good ol' raptor 100)
Fuel at air bleed - check
Fuel at T drain -check
ESO solenoid opening -check
DTC's - none
Return fuel - check
Battery cables -check
Grounds -check
Disconnect OS - no change
Disconnect CPS - no change
OS filter - 1998 so there is none
Try a light fog of WD 40 at intake - not even a kick, but it is turning slow.
Now I'm really confused. Its got fuel to the IP, its not getting to the injectors. I meter the FSO and get continuity. At least the windings are intact. I start fretting about buying another $1500 DS4.......
Getting baffled, I hook up the jumper cables and give it a shot on the remote start so I can watch #1 injector line again. It runs the glow cycle and then: nothing. No crank. WTF? Does its second start cycle. Nothing. Double WTF? On the third I grab a wrench and whack the starter (was trying to get it to turn, but it felt good to whack the damned truck with something heavy!). I now get a slow crank like a bad starter.
Hmmmm......
I jump in the truck and use the ign key. No start, not even a click. Everything else is working, just no starter. Wife turns the key and I whack the starter which gets us a slow crank. Outside again, remote start and nothing. Second time whack the starter and slow turns.
So I grab a screwdriver and cross the terminals. Nothing. Not even a spark. I whack it with a wrench while holding the screwdriver and it gives a spark and graunch (lost contact as I pulled the screwdriver out). Try the screwdriver again without the whack and nothing.
A bad starter seems obvious here, but stall the truck? I can't think of any possible way for it to cause a stall and no start condition.
Light fading, I do an internet search and reveal a few old and cryptic posts. One from Missy GW about using a ford solenoid to offload the high amperage draw from the small guage starter signal wire and another about some gent who had his truck stall dead out from the same wire to the solenoid that went dead open.
Scratching my head over this one. Never heard of a starter stalling a running engine. Unless its making some weird fault to ground issue or perhaps a loss of some sort of signal. I just can't get my head wrapped around a starter causing a stall/fishbite issue once the truck is actually running. No start from low rpm turnover or high amp draw, sure. But stall once running? That's a new one on me if that's what's going on....
Too dark to carry on with it now. I'll pull the starter out in the morning.I chuck the battery charger on it and head into the house.
Not sure what else to look at from this point...maybe ignition switch. Doesn't explain slow crank though.
Just to sprinkle a little extra joy on this "S" sandwich, the driver side wheel bearing also appears to be making a loud snapping noise. I replaced the passenger side last week before the trip as i found play in it. I wanted to do the driver side too, but the parts store didn't have two of the good ones and I wasn't going to put a cheap one in. Figured I at least would get a couple weeks out of the drivers side. That would give me time to order in the good one. Nope, not even 5 days later its doggin' me. Not even going to cut me some slack there. Going to have to replace that on the road too now.
This truck sure knows how to kick a guy when he's down......:mad:
Of course, I'm on a long trip again. It's just the love/hate this truck and I have. It loves to hate on me at the worst possible times.
It fishbit once on the highway and my antennae went up. Kicked a couple more times and I dove for the next off ramp. Died completely halfway down. Fiddled around a bit with some obvious things, no start. Swapped the spare pmd in, no start. Cracked #1 injector line off. No fuel. Starter is cranking slow, but its been getting slower over the week so I just figured it was on the way out.
Getting despondent, I hit the starter again and the truck starts. I make immediate plans to get somewhere where I can do more intense work on it. Truck sees the glimmer of hope in my eye and decides it won't allow me to have hope. It stalls out again. This time it is resolute: it will not start. Batteries are nearly drained now anyways.
So, I have it flatbedded to my moms house an hour away. There goes 150 bucks.
Getting dark now, so not a lot of time.
Crack off #1 again. No fuel.
Fuses - check
Pmd - check
PMD harness - check (metered)
PMD voltages - check
Lift pump pressure - check, 10 psi (good ol' raptor 100)
Fuel at air bleed - check
Fuel at T drain -check
ESO solenoid opening -check
DTC's - none
Return fuel - check
Battery cables -check
Grounds -check
Disconnect OS - no change
Disconnect CPS - no change
OS filter - 1998 so there is none
Try a light fog of WD 40 at intake - not even a kick, but it is turning slow.
Now I'm really confused. Its got fuel to the IP, its not getting to the injectors. I meter the FSO and get continuity. At least the windings are intact. I start fretting about buying another $1500 DS4.......
Getting baffled, I hook up the jumper cables and give it a shot on the remote start so I can watch #1 injector line again. It runs the glow cycle and then: nothing. No crank. WTF? Does its second start cycle. Nothing. Double WTF? On the third I grab a wrench and whack the starter (was trying to get it to turn, but it felt good to whack the damned truck with something heavy!). I now get a slow crank like a bad starter.
Hmmmm......
I jump in the truck and use the ign key. No start, not even a click. Everything else is working, just no starter. Wife turns the key and I whack the starter which gets us a slow crank. Outside again, remote start and nothing. Second time whack the starter and slow turns.
So I grab a screwdriver and cross the terminals. Nothing. Not even a spark. I whack it with a wrench while holding the screwdriver and it gives a spark and graunch (lost contact as I pulled the screwdriver out). Try the screwdriver again without the whack and nothing.
A bad starter seems obvious here, but stall the truck? I can't think of any possible way for it to cause a stall and no start condition.
Light fading, I do an internet search and reveal a few old and cryptic posts. One from Missy GW about using a ford solenoid to offload the high amperage draw from the small guage starter signal wire and another about some gent who had his truck stall dead out from the same wire to the solenoid that went dead open.
Scratching my head over this one. Never heard of a starter stalling a running engine. Unless its making some weird fault to ground issue or perhaps a loss of some sort of signal. I just can't get my head wrapped around a starter causing a stall/fishbite issue once the truck is actually running. No start from low rpm turnover or high amp draw, sure. But stall once running? That's a new one on me if that's what's going on....
Too dark to carry on with it now. I'll pull the starter out in the morning.I chuck the battery charger on it and head into the house.
Not sure what else to look at from this point...maybe ignition switch. Doesn't explain slow crank though.
Just to sprinkle a little extra joy on this "S" sandwich, the driver side wheel bearing also appears to be making a loud snapping noise. I replaced the passenger side last week before the trip as i found play in it. I wanted to do the driver side too, but the parts store didn't have two of the good ones and I wasn't going to put a cheap one in. Figured I at least would get a couple weeks out of the drivers side. That would give me time to order in the good one. Nope, not even 5 days later its doggin' me. Not even going to cut me some slack there. Going to have to replace that on the road too now.
This truck sure knows how to kick a guy when he's down......:mad: