Make it easy to dispense fuel additive...

[More Power]

[FONT=Verdana]OK, I know there are a lot of creative thinkers out there. I think we need a simple and clean way to add fuel treatment to the tank. Most additives I

[EdHale]

I use an old Sta-Bil bottle. It is easy to measure the right amount based on the amount of fuel I'm going to pump into the tank. Ed

[Mark Rinker]

I was just thinking the same thing, after purchasing a case of FPPF last week. My current plan is to mix larger quantities at the transfer tank using a small graduated measuring cup. Still crude, but at least less often.

[Tough Guy]

Something like two-cycle oil containers would be nice, squeeze the amount needed into the pouring recepticle and maybe add a little longer spout and your there!

Chris

[More Power]

Bulk treatment of ULSD presents a problem if you're using a metal storage tank. Most diesel fuel lubricity additives are comprised of a polar group of chemistries (fatty acids and/or esters), which are attracted to metal and form a boundary layer between closely fitting metal components used in a diesel fuel injection system. The relatively low concentration of 10ppm to 250ppm treatment (depending on which type of lubricity chemistry is used) could be nearly eliminated by the metal storage tank.

This polar reaction is a big concern to those who receive fuel that was treated at the refinery. The metal piping and storage tanks used in fuel distribution could result in no lubricity additive making its way into your truck's fuel tank. The best time for a fuel distributor to add a lubricity additive is while the ULSD is being transferred to the local fuel station's non-metallic fuel storage tank.

Jim

[Idle_Chatter]

Bulk treatment of ULSD presents a problem if you're using a metal storage tank. Most diesel fuel lubricity additives are comprised of a polar group of chemistries (fatty acids and/or esters), which are attracted to metal and form a boundary layer between closely fitting metal components used in a diesel fuel injection system. The relatively low concentration of 10ppm to 250ppm treatment (depending on which type of lubricity chemistry is used) could be nearly eliminated by the metal storage tank.

This polar reaction is a big concern to those who receive fuel that was treated at the refinery. The metal piping and storage tanks used in fuel distribution could result in no lubricity additive making its way into your truck's fuel tank. The best time for a fuel distributor to add a lubricity additive is while the ULSD is being transferred to the local fuel station's non-metallic fuel storage tank.


Jim

Very interesting post! I've noticed that my aluminum aux tank seemed to get less fuel economy than my poly OEM! I couldn't figure out what was up with that. I guess the aluminum tank is "scavenging" my FPPF? The mileage gap between tanks has narrowed in the last year or so, has my aux tank gotten "passified" by exposure to FPPF over 6 years?

[RdTxTd]

I got a bunch of 4 and 8 oz plastic bottles that I carry with me. Whenever I fill up, I just dump in a bottle. It may not be exactly the same ratio every time, but it averages out. When they're all empty, I refill them.

The bottles have started to deform, and I don't know if it's from temperature chnages or if the chemicals are causing problems with the plastic. I don't know what kind of plastic they are.

Does anyone know what types of plastic are safe for fuel or additives, or what types to avoid?

Is polycarbonate safe for either fuel/additives?

Also, does anyone know of a source of small (about 8 oz) bottles for this use?

Dave

[EdHale]

I couldn't find a supply of small bottles that would handle the FPPF that I use. That is why I ended up with a Sta-Bil bottle. It works well.

[murphyslaw]

I have this cool funnel with measurments on it and its clear has a valve on the hose its also clear and has a cap to put over the top of the funnel to keep it clean. I like it it was about 7bucks. picked it up from shucks

[the_croz]

You might think I'm totally retarded... But I've been using this in my Perkins Weld machine for about 9 years.. It reduces soot build-up.. It starts easer, shuts down better, has more power when welding BIG ROD...
I tried it on my brand new 3500 chassis cab LBZ and it loves it..!
The secret..?
1/10th of a gallon of GASOLINE, to every 5 gallons of diesel fuel.

[Mark Rinker]

Ummm...don't tell anyone at your dealership that. You might want to rely on them for warranty work someday.

[MTTwister]

12 oz bottles . I pre mix a batch of powerservice and 2cyc oil, to give me about 8 oz PS and 2 oz 2cyc for 20 gal. ( normal top up ) . Carry 5-6 of these, plus the 96 oz container of the pre-mix with a funnel to topup the empty Heet bottles ( when necessary). the Buick uses the Heet and Injector cleaner, and I use the bottles...

[Gobbledot]

I found that a 8oz baby bottle works well, it has a screw on cap and doesnt leak. When I fill up I just empty the bottle in the tank and fill it back up when I get back home.

[ronniejoe]

You might think I'm totally retarded... But I've been using this in my Perkins Weld machine for about 9 years.. It reduces soot build-up.. It starts easer, shuts down better, has more power when welding BIG ROD...
I tried it on my brand new 3500 chassis cab LBZ and it loves it..!
The secret..?
1/10th of a gallon of GASOLINE, to every 5 gallons of diesel fuel.

I know lots of guys who swear by mixing gasoline into their Diesel fuel at about a 3% mixture. I don't.

[Kennedy]

I've been using teh Sta-Bil bottle for years now. I recently added another and filled it with my 2 stroke mix oil to help with that and eliminate the measuring cup and collecting dust...

[Inspector]

I use a bottle that was originally filled with chemicals that are used in the toilet in the trailer. It has a 4oz collector bottle attached to the top of the bottle which is about 96oz. All I do is turn the bottle over and it measures out 4oz into the top bottle. It has a cap on it so that you can pour the contents out without making a mess. If you need to measure out more simply turn it over again and refill and dispense. I got the toilet chemical at Camper World but I have seen it at most camper suppliers and parts dealers.
works for me.
Denny

[JeepSJ]

I use a bottle that was originally filled with chemicals that are used in the toilet in the trailer. It has a 4oz collector bottle attached to the top of the bottle which is about 96oz. All I do is turn the bottle over and it measures out 4oz into the top bottle. It has a cap on it so that you can pour the contents out without making a mess. If you need to measure out more simply turn it over again and refill and dispense. I got the toilet chemical at Camper World but I have seen it at most camper suppliers and parts dealers.
works for me.
Denny

Good idea. I have seen similar style bottles for gasoline stabilizers.

[Yukon6.2]

Hi
I use a FTTP product in my truck. When i go to fill up i turn the diesel nozzle upwards,pour the additive in the nozzle,then put it in the tank and start filling,i figger that the additive will get the maximum mixing that way.

[More Power]

Yukon, That's a neat trick.... I wonder how many ounces it takes to fill the nozzle?

A commercial opportunity exists for the aftermarket to produce an easy to use, no spill - no mess way to measure and accurately dispense fuel additive. Frankly, I'm surprised the additive manufacturers haven't done it. They would sell more additive because people would be more inclined to use it - more of the time.

Another thing that should be done is, the bottles should be labeled in large type indicating how many ounces (or ml) should be added for a 26 gallon tank and/or a 34 gallon tank (Stanadyne comes close to doing this on the side of the bottle). People can do the math for less than a full tank.

Jim

[DmaxProf]

For several years now I have been using the bottles I ordered from United States Plastic Corp. They make it easy to measure the number of ounces I need at each fillup. I ordered them online. If I managed to do this right, the address below will show the bottle I use.

http://www.usplastic.com/catalog/product.asp?catalog%5Fname=USPlastic&category%5Fname=8&product%5Fid=20700

[Inspector]

Dmaxprof:

That bottle is very similar to the bottle that I described in the above post.
The one that I use has the same type of bottle on a bottle and is marked off in ounces 1 thru 4. By tipping over the bottle, fluid will fill the attached bottle to exactly 4 ozs. Being marked off 1 oz increments makes easy to dispense in lessor amounts for maybe a half tank of fuel.
It works very well for me.
Denny

[WILLYD-MAX]

The Sta Bil bottle works good. Amsoil's newest additive comes in 16 oz. bottles with a long skinny neck with clear marks every 2oz and a treat rate of 1oz per 5 gal. works real well also.:D

[SDakDmax]

I've been using teh Sta-Bil bottle for years now. I recently added another and filled it with my 2 stroke mix oil to help with that and eliminate the measuring cup and collecting dust...


So John, everyone seems to have a different mix ratio for the 2 cycle oil, at what rate do yoiu mix??

[tommac95]

You may be OK with that , particularly on the Perkins ... i think there was an old VW prescription to add a little gas to diesel for antigelling.
But i wouldn't add anything thinner than kero to diesel fuel , Kero also to anti gel. And whenever adding a thinner , a lubricity additive is prudent for wear aspects.

[jbplock]

Interesting Thread! :cool:

I’ve also used STABIL bottles as well as graduated 8 & 16oz (stanadyne) plastic bottles for dispensing fuel additives but as this thread points out, there must be a better way.

The link DmaxProf posted offers has some interesting possibilities for a “calibrated” dispenser.

1 gallon jug pump delivers 1 oz. per stroke (http://www.usplastic.com/catalog/product.asp?catalog%5Fname=USPlastic&category%5Fname=8&product%5Fid=14731)
http://www.usplastic.com/images/products/bottles/66078p.jpg


Dispense 1 oz per stroke (http://www.usplastic.com/catalog/product.asp?catalog%5Fname=USPlastic&category%5Fname=8&product%5Fid=20708)
http://www.usplastic.com/images/products/bottles/66312p.jpg
The plunger draws liquid through plastic vinyl tubing from any size container. It has a 3/8 OD intake and discharge. (could get carried away with this one.. :eek: …hmmm.. plumb to the fuel filler tube ?? :rolleyes: )
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This one found with Google looks good ... similar to the STABIL bottle except it dispenses 1-6 oz
WirthCo - (http://www.wirthco.com/16oz-prop-measure-container-p-267.html)tip and pour measuring container (http://www.wirthco.com/16oz-prop-measure-container-p-267.html)
... also listed on the site DmaxProf pointed us to .. Prop R Measure (http://www.usplastic.com/catalog/product.asp?catalog%5Fname=USPlastic&category%5Fname=14953&product%5Fid=26675)
http://www.wirthco.com/images/Prop%20R%20Measure.jpg
http://www.wirthco.com/images/prop%20R%20measure%20in%20use.jpg




:)

[pmkid]

Hello,

I know this is an old topic but take a look at the EzyPor (http://www.ezyporusa.com) it works great with my additive.