tow and payload specs for 3500 srw...

[ochster]

Can anyone post a link? I cannot find them anywhere. No problem for other makes just not the GM's.

[DmaxMaverick]

GVWR is 9900#. Towing depends on how the truck is optioned and loaded. GCWR is 22K.

[ochster]

I'm mostly concerned with payload. I have not seen the curb weight offered for the different builds. I will be looking at 3500 SRW crew cab 4x4 LB D/A.

[ochster]

If I interpret the info I have seen correctly, my 2500HD 4x2 xcab has a greater payload capacity than a 3500 srw crew cab 4x4.

[DmaxMaverick]

ochster

It could happen. I don't know the weight difference between excab vs. crewcab, or 4 X 2 vs. 4 X 4, but it sounds reasonable. The 3500SRW has a GVWR 700# higher than the 2500HD, so if your options are a difference of more than 700#, then your payload capacity will be more.

[MIKE WIENER]

The 3500srw is the same truck as the 2500HD. GM relesed the 3500srw to help stop some of the confusiton. to many pepole did not understand that the 2500HD is actually a one ton truck. the 3500 was set aside as the dully. am not clear why GM did this. Load capacity vary buy option waght. How ever much some thig waighs is how much the paload drops. So a standerd cab 2500HD can cary the most.

MIKE

[ochster]

Looks like if I want to stay with GM I will need a dually. I was hoping to not have to drive one the 90% of the time it wont be towing anything.

I would consider the new Ford with its increased GVWR but no way could I could PAY them for thier diesel.

[MIKE WIENER]

The 2500HD will carry and tow more than the dually. the added two tires and fenders bring it in less than the 2500. I sugest a trip to the dealer for a sales broshure with the tow ratings in it.

[ochster]

My dilemia is several issues. First, I wanted the crew cab for car seat room. Second, I'm currently about 300-400lbs. over my gvwr when loaded with my gooseneck. Third, I figured I might as well get a 4x4 as I encounter occcasional seasonal conditions.

[DmaxMaverick]

Considering the numbers only, not taking into acount stability and peace of mind, the only thing the dually gains is GVWR. About a ton more than the 2500HD, and 3/4 ton over the 3500SRW. The only weight advantage here is in-truck payload, like pin/tongue weight. The dual wheels and fenders don't add up to a ton of weight.

All else is the same. The 2500HD and 3500HD have the same GCWR and towing capacity.

[ochster]

Thanks for the input, I will probably hold off and hope that GM fallows fords lead with a higher GVWR on the SRW 3500. Maybe some larger brakes as well! the dmax/ali is the best vehicle I have ever owned.

[DmaxMaverick]

ochster

You're not buying a line of bull from a Ford salesman, are you?

The F350SRW GVWR is 9900#, same as the 3500SRW.

To speak frankly, Ford brakes suck. Always have. They will be bigger for 2005, but I doubt they will come close to what GM has had since 2001. GM truck brakes, as bad as they have been in the past, have always been the best in the business. Since 2001, GM truck brakes leave little to be desired, although some will upgrade them to suit their needs. The other brands don't come close.

If you think they have more to offer, get one. Then you will know.

[ochster]

Thought I read somewhere that Ford had upped thier payload to near 3100lbs. in thier supercab bohemoth. Maybe it was in a magazine, which I know is paid lies by technical nitwits.

Not a chance Ford will see any of my money soon. I was burned years ago on a F250 purchase. If I defect it would be a Dodge Cummins with a 6 speed. But I dont even consider that to be a "equal" just cheaper and easily detected where.

I do find it frustrating that the manufacturers continue to offer a SRW 3500 that very easily could be made to perform better. They know that these things are being used for double duty and can easily see the trailer sales statistics of our buying habits. With a simple tire/wheel change and minor strength issues I dont think another 500-700lbs payload is a big deal achieve.

I'm finding more people that are becoming informed about thier towing limits (me included). Many are concerned about the litigous nature of our society and would like to be as safe possible. But being shoehorned into a dually because thats all they will offer is hard to swallow. You have daily driver issues, parking covenant issues, insurance issues, increased maintenance issues, etc. Heck sell us a increased GVWR rated 3500 SRW like "back in the old days". Alot of people would not blink at another $1800-2000 package.

Did I say I love my truck!

[ochster]

Dmax... I found the article, it sais the 05'F350 will have an increased GVWR of 11,400.

[DmaxMaverick]

I found the article, it sais the 05'F350 will have an increased GVWR of 11,400. That's for a dually. The SRW is 9900#.

It's about time Ford has increased their capacities to match what GM has had for years. Dodge did the same thing.

As far as payload goes....
If you have a payload of 3100#, and your GVWR is 9900#, the unladen weight of the truck would have to be 6800#. Not hard to do with a reg. cab shortbed 4 X 2 gasser. I wonder where they lost that extra weight, or why they couldn't do it before? It's all marketing hype.

[Chris N5CWM]

For the sake of comparison, a 2004 Dodge 3500 single-rear-wheel shortbed quad cab 4x4 SLT/Laramie (lots of options, not a stripper):

With 3.73 Axle Ratio you can tow 13750 lbs
Gross Vehicle Weight Rating (GVWR) = 9900 lbs
Payload = 2789 lbs
Curb Weight = 7111 lbs
Curb Weight Front/Rear = 4286 / 2826 lbs
GAWR Front/Rear = 5200 / 6150 lbs
Gross Combination Weight Rating (GCWR) = 21000 lbs

With 4.10 axle ratio you can tow 15750 lbs
Gross Vehicle Weight Rating (GVWR)= 9900 lbs
Payload = 2789 lbs
Curb Weight = 7111 lbs
Curb Weight Front/Rear = 4286 / 2826 lbs
GAWR Front/Rear = 5200 / 6150 lbs
Gross Combination Weight Rating (GCWR)= 23000 lbs
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2004 Ram Truck 3500 SLT/Laramie, Quad Cab, 4x4, Long Bed, Long Wheel Base, Single-rear-wheel, 6-Speed HD Manual, 5.9L HO Cummins Turbo Diesel engine:

With 3.73 Axle Ratio You Can Tow 13550 lbs
Gross Vehicle Weight Rating (GVWR) = 9900 lbs
Payload [i] = 2614 lbs
Curb Weight = 7286 lbs
Curb Weight Front/Rear = 4491 / 2795 lbs
GAWR Front/Rear = 5200 / 6150 lbs
Gross Combination Weight Rating (GCWR) = 21000 lbs



With 4.10 Axle Ratio You Can Tow 15550 lbs
Gross Vehicle Weight Rating (GVWR) = 9900 lbs
Payload = 2614 lbs
Curb Weight = 7286 lbs
Curb Weight Front/Rear = 4491 / 2795 lbs
GAWR Front/Rear = 5200 / 6150 lbs
Gross Combination Weight Rating (GCWR)= 23000 lbs

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Dual Rear Wheels:

2004 Ram Truck 3500 SLT/Laramie, Quad Cab, 4x4, Long Bed, Long Wheel Base, 6-Speed HD Manual w/Dual Rear Wheels, 5.9L HO Cummins Turbo Diesel engine:

With 3.73 Axle Ratio You Can Tow 13250 lbs
Gross Vehicle Weight Rating (GVWR) = 12000 lbs
Payload= 4415 lbs
Curb Weight= 7585 lbs
Curb Weight Front/Rear = 4522 / 3063 lbs
GAWR Front/Rear = 5200 / 9350 lbs
Gross Combination Weight Rating (GCWR)= 21000 lbs

With 4.10 Axle Ratio You Can Tow 15250 lbs
Gross Vehicle Weight Rating (GVWR) = 12000 lbs
Payload = 4415 lbs
Curb Weight = 7585 lbs
Curb Weight Front/Rear = 4522 / 3062 lbs
GAWR Front/Rear = 5200 / 9350 lbs
Gross Combination Weight Rating (GCWR)= 23000 lbs

[ 08-28-2004, 08:41 PM: Message edited by: Chris N5CWM ]

[Chris N5CWM]

I found a great source of tow ratings for the 3500 SRW and DRW trucks on the GMC website. For the life of me I cannot post the direct link to the web page due to forum restrictions here.

So, go to gmc.com, then click on Sierra, then click on Features and Specifications, then a dropdown menu appears, so mouse-over the Sierra 3500 and click it. When the next page loads, there will be a menu of Features and Specifications, beginning with Engines, Transmissions and Axles. Look for Towing, Trailering and Snow Plowing. Click on that link, and a page will load. Viola, you're there!!

Whew! :D

[ 08-28-2004, 09:19 PM: Message edited by: Chris N5CWM ]

[ochster]

That does lay out the specs pretty nice. It appears they have transposed the curbweight numbers for 3500 CC SRW 4x4 longbed and the and the Xcab version. They list the Xcab as being the heavier (6239) and the CC as being (6094). The crew on all of the charts I have seen prior weighs more (199lbs.).

I did have some info that this differed from though. They show the 3500 SRW CC 4x4 LB D/A with the same payload (within 7lbs.) as my 2500HD Xcab 4x2 LB D/A.

They also show the turning diameter being 10ft. less on the crew cab 4x4 than the standard cab 4x4?

They do not list the different engine/tranny options when noting curbweight. Are we suppoose to assume these weights are with the heavier Duramax/Allison? or would they be fudging the numbers and using the lightest powertrain available? Anyone know how much more the Duramax/Allison weighs?

[ 08-29-2004, 08:48 AM: Message edited by: ochster ]

[Chris N5CWM]

I found the towing info on the Chevy site.

Go to www.chevrolet.com (http://www.chevrolet.com) and select Silverado, then click on Features and Specs, then click on the big Specifications tab. When it's finished loading, click on Trailering.