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Went to buy a new set of tires from Tire Rack & when I gave them the tire size & load range they said something was wrong.All duellys come with a E range tire & not a D range.Well,mine has a D range tire that came from the factory.Called GM & they said I was right about the range load tire thats on it.Next they call the dealer were I purchased the truck & sure enough it has the wrong tire rating on it.Next thing the dealer tells me to bring it in next week for a new replacement on all 7 tires.Brand new Goodyear With the right Range tire which is the E & not the D.All you guys out there go check & make sure you have the E-Range tires & not the D range.If its wrong take it back to your dealer & make them put the right tires on it.Mine is going in on Monday no question asked for the replacement.Bene running these tires ever since I got the truck new last year.The tires that are on it will need replacing by October anyway.Gonna save me at least $1000 by discovering the mistake they made.Thanks to Tire Rack I would have known anything about the range listing.Hammer smile.gif smile.gif
Timberline
08-02-2002, 16:24
I just went out and checked mine and it has the Load Range "D" tires on it. Looks like I am going to stop by my dealer tomorrow and see what they will do.
i just called my gm dealer and they said load range d's come on these trucks, my 2002 3500 has d's also
FirstDiesel
08-02-2002, 16:59
Well my duelly has D range tires too. Hammer, who and where did you call to get this info???
I just checked my window sticker. The tires were listed as being LT215/85R16D. I assume this means it's a D range tire per the sticker. The truck does have D range on it.
I don't understand this. If the truck is supposed to have had E range tires on it why did they list the D range on the sticker??
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To All who have 3500s,Read my forum & youll see how it was discovered.Also my dealer said there was a memo on this senerio a while back.All duellys are suppose to come with the E-range rating & not the D range.Just the 2500s have the d-range.The d-range isnt sufficent enough for the load rating on the 3500s.This just involves the 3500s,not the 2500s.I dont know about the 2002 models but I do know mine is involved in this case.I have a 2001. smile.gif smile.gif
DAM'IT I got "E'S", eight of them,two brand new from spares to nab the steel rims...... How come I never get nuttin for free? WAAAAAAAA
WTF
MAC :mad:
Goodyear Wrangler S/R
215/85QR16 D
2335lbs.
65psi
215/85QR16 E
2680lbs.
80psi
FirstDiesel
08-02-2002, 17:25
Hammer
You said you called GM and they confirmed this. Where did you call??
I have no faith that my dealer is going to know this. If I could have something to take to them from GM it would be a lot easier.
When I called my dealer the service manager said he remembers a memo on this tire situation. Call GM at 1-800-222-1020 & they will look up your ID no. on the truck.This will tell them what your truck came with when you ordered it.( Its the VIN no. you need,they have it on record.Mine said my truck shoulda had E-range tires from the factory but it hasnt.Its got D-range so there gonna swap them for me cause its on record for the E-range which I never got.Hammer smile.gif smile.gif
Guys HAMMER is correct had FOUR GM DUALLY'S (88,93,98,01)never ,never came with less then an "E" rated tire......Tell your dealer to replace or their responsible.....
MAC
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Mackin,I just got lucky & dicovered this through Tire Rack.If ya got the window sticker yet off the truck itll tell ya to what the truck came with as far as tires.Or you can call GM & they can look it up & tell ya whats listed on the truck.I think mine was one of the first being built after the switch from 2500s to 3500s & they were use to using the D-range on them & mistakenly put the wrong ones on mine.Hammer smile.gif smile.gif
FirstDiesel
08-02-2002, 17:41
Thanks guys. Guess I'm calling GM monday morning. I thought it was funny that this truck had D range tires. Seemed a little lightweight to me.
DmaxMaverick
08-02-2002, 17:43
hammer
I don't know who you've been getting your info from, but it isn't correct.
The D rated tires are fine for the 3500's. The weight rating well exceeds the capacity of the axles. They are NOT rated high enough for the 2500HD's (In OEM size). The reason is the DRW/SRW configuration. FYI: The front axle rating is the same for both the 2500HD and the 3500.
My bet is that your dealer will not replace your tires. If they do, I may be moving to your area soon.
hammer ,
I'm crying the BLUES... I got "E'S"(their in my basement BIG FAT E right on them) and so says my Window Sticker.......
SOB I got to pay for everything......WAAAAAA LOL
I got more tires for that truck.....Four-teen ........ :eek:
MAC
DMax Maveric,Mine are getting changed Mon. mournin at 8:30.215/85-R16 E-range rated NOT THE D-Range RATED TIRE THATS ON IT.The reason is because the E-rated tire is on my window sticker & listed on my records with my VIN at GM.,NOT THE D-RANGE which is on the truck now.Hammer smile.gif smile.gif
DmaxMaverick,
I have never seen a "D" rated tire on a dually,and I've seen alot....
Right off the tires "E" single=>2680
Dual=>2470
They go down in class when in Dual wheel application......i'll take a PIC if ya want..... Get new tires BOYS......
MAC ;)
HAMMER, welcome your new neighbor ...... tongue.gif
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FirstDiesel
08-02-2002, 17:58
Okay
I'm on the phone right now waiting for an answer.
My tires are definetly D range and my window sticker says D also.
GM tells me at the 800 number that they nothing about it and that I need to take it up with the dealer.
hammer, if you can get me any more info from the dealer about this, memo name/number/date, I'd appreciate it.
DmaxMaverick
If this was the case why did Mackin's truck come with E's?? and hammer's and mine didn't?
Mackin,If I just would have discovered this sooner I would of posted it.Sorry for the loss to you.I wasnt even aware of it till I called Tire Rack. There the ones that told me to contact GM & I did & got a new set of 7 tires which go on the truck Mon.Hammer smile.gif smile.gif
FirstDiesel
08-02-2002, 18:02
I wonder if I'm screwed on this. Hammer, you say your sticker says E range. Mine says D range!! Wonder if they derated the tires on 2002s??
Anyone else out there with a 2002 that can check the tires and the sticker.
BTW, how did you get GM to check the vin?? The guy I spoke to took my vin but never said anything about what the truck was supposed to have on it.
First Diesel,Tell em to look up your vin no. & check on the tire rating that is on your records for the truck.I had no trouble at all getting the Imfo on mine.In fact they called me back to verify that it had the wrong rated tires & they even called my dealer,the dealer even called me back within a half hour & varified it & set the appoint. for Mon. mournin for 7 new ones no guestions asked.If you still got the original window sticker thatll tell ya too.
FirstDiesel
08-02-2002, 18:09
hammer
My sticker says D range tires. Wonder if I'm screwed here and have to live with a lesser rated tire. I have a 2002 and maybe they cheapened the tire.
First Diesel,Its possible that they did change the ratings on them.I didnt exsplor that theory but Mon. when I get to my dealer Ill see if I can find more out on this.They are very sraight forward with me about my truck & what they say they do.They bend over backwards for me when it comes to maintainning my truck.When I take it in they hen peck it to peices.Never seen a service shop like it.Sometimes I can just drive in to see my mechanic & hell make me bring it in to the shop without a appoint. just to look it over.Just like a mother hen.Gotta love it.Hammer smile.gif
DmaxMaverick
08-02-2002, 18:17
Easy now, boys....
I didn't say that your tires HAVE to be D rated. Only that they can be. I've seen both on OEM duallies. The weight rating allows it. The tire rating depends on the tire option you select, either the standard or on/off road. A 3500HD or 4500 would be a different story.
If your sticker says you are supposed to have E's, then the dealer may be obligated to replace them because you paid for them. You kinda left that part out of your first post.
FirstDiesel
08-02-2002, 18:23
Any info you can get me Monday would be great. I'll hold off visiting the dealer until I see what happens for you.
Thanks
DMax Maveric,Now ya got it,my sticker said E-range & when we discovered it it had D-range,thats why Im getting new ones.But my service manager said there was a bullitin on this ratings on the tires,I was only trying to help the guys check to see what they got with there trucks,GM did tell me that the E-range is the standard rating on the 3500s.I dont know what year trucks are involved with the bullitin because he hadnt looked it up yet.It almost looks like the 2001 trucks are the only ones involved.When I get to my dealer Mon. if he can find it I know hell show it to me.Then Ill know exeackly what trucks & yrs are involved.Hammer smile.gif smile.gif
Ill post any Imfo I can get Mon. after I get back from my dealer.Ill try to get a copy of the memo on this case.Hammer,P.S. Heading for the cosinos up in UP Michigan for a week.Leaving next Wend.,coming back rich or broke on the following Tues. smile.gif smile.gif
3176CATPOWER
08-02-2002, 19:20
The window sticker for my 2002 2500 says E and thats what is on all four tires, did not check spare!
Boy am I angry. Those idiots at GM put load range E on my dually just like they were supposed to. How am I going to get free tires if they keep doing things like that? I have 26,000 on mine now and they just keep melting away.
Redhawk,
That is my sentiments, except I wanted to "SMOKE" up my stockers which are RIB to get some FREE traction tires.......Cause you know it's gong to a tire dealer, my dealer has no tires, I would offer to drive it there,and with a little haggling, one might get some good tires cheap......HINT HINT
MAC
Bad news on the 02... I have my buddies spare tire and it's a "D" from his 02 Dually...... I'm gonna talk to him about it when I see him next week.........If he doesn't know he won't be pleased.....
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It does help to have a service manager on your side & not fighting you for a problem that was created by GM.Far as that goes the owner of the dealership also took a look at this problem & steped in to help me.The dealer Im working with has a franchise with cat,cummins Mack,and Duramax.They do complete overhauls on the big ones,They also sell Western Star tractors with any combo engine you want with the truck.And they are a fleet dealer to boot.They also have 30 bays to work on the big ones.The last time I was there they had a big V-12 Cummins on the table looking at a major.When I buy a truck I go to the big fleet dealers for a good deal for they tag my order in with a fleet deal.And the service I get is beyond perfect.Hammer smile.gif smile.gif
Maverick
08-03-2002, 02:12
Geee....mine says single 3970..dual 3750...Opps I forgot...mine are the "G" rated tires we should have in the first place.
Really though, both of my trucks came with "E"'s from the factory. I got a set of 245/75-16 Firestone Steeltex with 12K on them. $25 a tire.
Timberline
08-03-2002, 05:29
I have the "D" rated tires on mine and just looked at my window sticker and it does show 16D. Looks like I may be out of luck on mine. I new it was to good to be true for me. These Goodyears that I have on mine are rags, my uncle has has a 3500 also and it is smooth as silk and my tires give that nagging bad tire vibration even after the dealer had them rebalanced. I am still going to stop by the dealer and see what they can do. It just looks like I probably won't be getting the "E" rated tires.
I think the key argument at the dealer is the steering axle with "D" rated tire on a 3500......It truly is all about weight distribution..... A 3500 has a higher total GVW if the weight was closer to the cab and not over the rear drive then you would be dangerously close to overloading the capacity of the steering tires.....After all we are just consumers and they must assume we no nothing about this subject on how to properly weight distribute Cement blocks......... I wouldn't run less then a "E" ....... My Michelin's are 3042 in single wheel application...... The front axle weight is 4800 a "D" rated tire doesn't even meet the spec at 2335 ....... So I would straight up tell them if my weight shifts towards the front and I blow a tire and crash does this mean a lawsuit with GM? After all the GVW on a Dually is !! 11,400 !! Lbs.....Any tire dealer WOULD NOT recommend "D" rated tires on a 11,400 GVW truck........Not to mention all these ratings are at Maximum air pressure..... Who is doing that?
Hello, Firestone,FMC.......KNOW any "GOOD" Lawyers?
MAC
Or tell me I'm over looking something or I'm doing FUZZY math........
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Mackin,Your last post is exactly why GM is changing my tires & also with the E-rating on the tires through the VIN no. there kinda pinned against the wall with this situation.Im just lucky Im pulling a tri-axle & not a tamdem trailer fore most of the weight is carried over the tri's. & not on the pin. I weighed the truck & trailer last spring on the way home from Fl. at a Flying Jay & the axle weights were within the truck & trailer spec,s.I know it would not have bene with a tandem trailer but with a tri most of the weight is over the axles.I think thats why I didnt have any trouble with the tires running through the 13 states going & coming home.Hammer smile.gif smile.gif
bigbobed
08-03-2002, 12:00
The GFAW on my sticker reads, guess what, 4670. Guess they covered their rear on that sticker.
needbigtruck
08-03-2002, 19:35
could putting load range E be a response to
www.aiam.org/main_pre_det.asp?PRID=22
If this is true, since this determination was made after most of us bought our trucks we won't fall under it. I stopped by the dealer on the way home. He has 2 HD's one 3500, one 2500, both had "E"'s on them.
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needbigtruck,
Who knows,but print and bring with you or whom ever to the dealer,plus I'll tell you this is the FIRST I have ever heard of a "D" rated tire being used on a DUAL REAR P/U of 10,000 GVW or above.......It is quite amazing how GM went and increased towing and weight capacity and down graded tires in the same year 01....Something is a miss and I eagerly a wait the responses from the posters here even tho I got "E'S" on my Dually when I bought it new....
Seems GM didn't learn anything from the FMC-Firestone fiasco and under rating tires and inflation guide lines......Good luck to all you GUY'S........
MAC
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Richard Pelletier
08-04-2002, 06:20
Thats funny, my 2002 2500 HD came with Firestone tires with an E rating. :confused:
IndigoDually
08-04-2002, 06:37
My window sticke shows a $77 option for LT215/85R16/E BW. Disappointingly, that's what I have.
John
John,
Mine says=>LT215/85R16E ALS BW FRT/RR/SPR "NO CHARGE"
No charge is right they should PAY ME to take them...
MAC
Wonder why the list front,rear,and spare.......Never seen mixed ratings.....You?
ON EDIT ******* IF YOU PAID THEN THAT MEANS YOU OPTED FOR THE OFF-ROAD VERSION ,SO THAT BLOWS THE STANDARD ,NOT STANDARD TIRE OPTION OUT OF THE WATER .......FOR GETTING UNDER RATED IMO TIRES.....
:confused:
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FirstDiesel
08-04-2002, 07:14
Mine says:
LT215/85R16D ALS BW FRT/RR/SPR "NO CHARGE"
Why the h**l is there a difference in the load range that the same trucks were fitted with. Inquirying minds want to know!!!
well i just took a look at my truck and i have E's on my 2500HD.
My GM fleet book say that the 3500 uses either d's or E's depending on the model. I went to the GM "build your own" site. Hard to get all the right info, but if you spec out an extended cab duallie it shows d range. If you spec a crew cab it shows E. Mine is a 3500 cc and it came with E tires.
Maverick
08-04-2002, 15:46
My dually is a REG CAB and it came with "E"'s.
Ext Cab "E'S" Is what I got........It is irrelevant on the model as the axle weight and GVW are the same on all......I don't understand the A$$ covering sticker lowering the front axle weight on the 02'S tho,as reported by Bigbobed.......They have the same axle 01's and 02's......Is a sticker cheaper then an upgrade to E'S for GM?Is it more important then safety? Lame'o on GM'S part if they hide behind the sticker....... Sounds like a saddle tank credit voucher down the road thing......
MAC
IndigoDually
08-04-2002, 18:34
I think the $77 option is for all terrain tires in place of the highway rib type.
John
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