03 interior changes

[pullinpower]

Got to spend some time in a 03 dmax this afternoon and I have got to hand it to chevy on the interior change,the radio is awsome,the climate controls are impressive and the dash with the 120mph speedo looks great and they have the trip computer with everything you can think of on there located by a touch of a button on the steering wheel,the seats are alot better and to tell ya the truth I had to get out of that truck before I wanted to take it home!!!! Guys go and see for yourself their interior is second to none.100 times better than ours.

[TxDoc]

What kind of seats, buckets or bench?

[mackin]

Chuck ,


Hope you didn't read this........
Quote:120mph speedo...

What an insult ,them rotten BA$TARD$....... What a tease......I feel for you buddy ........Every dam time I see one of those Mini -Vans to a fly by.......

MAC :D

[NutNbutGMC]

Mack Daddy, I feel the pain all the way to the bone. I guess it's the thought that counts though...... LMAO.... :D :D Honestly though, these things should do more than 97 MPH. I'll drive a 2k3 this weekend just to see what's up with the 120 MPH speedo....
Have a great weekend Mackin, you rock the house with "da' jooce."

[pullinpower]

They were bench seats,everything I saw on the interior I liked.

[Burner]

Yep, been there, done that.

I had seen the 03' looking at me last week. I got my salesman to toss me the keys. A few things I did notice.


* Yes it has a 120 on the speedo
* No, it still cuts out at 97mph (I did this)
* Yes, the seats (bucket) are better
* The center console works better but losses a 12v plug
* The console is higher and fits your arm better. That beats breaking the armrest getting in and out.
* Yes, GM puts only 3 Gallons in the thing!
* Bed is a little tougher
* Cup holders won't get your other stuff wet
* The ash try is removable in the center console
* The console is not as deep... I guess that is because of the BOSE system (sub)
* In the guage cluster just above the steering wheel there is an LED (I think) screen.
* Screen gives (memory) following : Driver 1 or 2, hour meter, resetable run-time clock, AVG MPG, Instant MPG, and the standard stuff we have now. I know that I have missed something.

---- I love the truck but the face will take some getting use to. I like it so much that I am going to sell mine and get ONE! :D :D :D

Rich tongue.gif

[Rebel_Horseman]

Hey Burner...if you're going to sell it I might be interested. PM or e-mail me and we can discuss it farther. :D

[NutNbutGMC]

^.....Rebel... Make me an offer and I'll put you in a 2k2, me in a 2k3 and tell everyone here on the forum how I like it and we'll all be happy ('cept me with the speed limiter disability). Click on the link in my sig line.
crb862@aol.com
Chuck

[Rebel_Horseman]

NutNbutGMC....e mail me and we can talk about this in more detail. cowboybinkz71@cs.com

[Kennedy]

Now now, you guys all know how to deal with the speed limiter. Ive seen 107mph, but I cant afford to do that anywhere but on the dyno!

The latest "race" version is quite a handful! I'm hoping to find someone with a digital camcorder so I can post an mpeg of a Dmax doing some donuts! This is provided of course, I can do it without getting busted...

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[pullinpower]

Man kennedy that would be cool!!!1

[SoCalDMAX]

Don't worry about getting busted, JK.

Alli-max will bail you out. No, wait... he said he'd just take pictures... never mind! ;)

Regards, Steve

[Mic]

"* Screen gives (memory) following : Driver 1 or 2, hour meter, resetable run-time clock, AVG MPG, Instant MPG, and the standard stuff we have now."

Now I wonder if this Driver Info Center will work with our older DMax's. IIRC, a few tried to get the Escalade DIC to work, but not MPG ratings were available.

WHo's Game? :rolleyes:

[Kennedy]

Now remember, the mpg thing isn't gonna work with a power adder as it will display much higher mpg due to "fooling" of the fuel rates. I'm not entirely sure of this, but the pressure boxes for sure will be inaccurate. I am not sure just what the Juice outputs for fueling info, but the reflash just MIGHT be able to be done so as not to skew this reading.

[Burner]

JK

That dang Ferdf I had (2001 CC) had an AVG Mpg thing in it and yes the "advancements" I used did goof it up ... alot! I figuered tongue.gif that if I took the number given and divided it by 2 and added 4 it would be right on the money. However, I think that Max uses a metering system like the Arura & Cadilac. If you find out that it uses a throttle postion sensor.....well, I'll be sick. The only way that we could "reformulate" the instant and AVg MPG numbers would be for someone to comprise a system that advanced the timming(Juice) and incresed the fuel pressure (Maximizer) on the same curve. Whomever makes that "system" will be the "KING" of upgrades for the D-MAX monster :D . If the max is by wire (throttle sensor) I will try to formulate anequazion to get the correct AVG and Instant MPG. -- Although I will never win a spelling bee smile.gif

Rich

[pullinpower]

Burner I think our system is drive by wire,not sure but JK should know more.

[Rebel_Horseman]

I was driving my cousins 01 2500 4x4. I had my foot all the way to the firewall and it would NOT go past 95ish. It felt like it just gave up when it got that high. :confused: I'm assuming (yes I know what happens when one assumes something) that it's a program to defuel the engine to keep the driver form going too fast. Is this the case adn if so, what can be done about it? I would never go that fast though, I'm just wondering for the sake of argument. Yeah that's it, I just want to know but I'll never actually go that fast. :D

Reb

[DuckhunterInTN]

Burner,
Out of curiousity, why do you say that the bed looks tougher?

[FirstDiesel]

Rebel_Horseman

There is a speed limiter at 97 MPH in these trucks. You can read past posts about it. Lots of cryin about minivans passing them!! smile.gif

[Burner]

DuckHunter,

The bed is stronger, so I have been told. I think that they have a little more in the rails and bed floor. The composite should be available about anywhere now. Myself, If I had my drothers, they would all have a "Royal Summit" bed on them. www.royaltruck.com :D :D

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Pull'n Pow'er tongue.gif
Yes, our trucks are drive by wire. A throttle position sensor would efectively trash the Instant and AVG reading on the computer. However, a metering system would not be affected. Think of the metering system just like a fuel pump at a station. The harder you squease the trigger the more fuel you get, just like the throttle peadal. If one pump flows @ 3 GAL per minute and the other @ 4 GAL per minute, do they read the same quanity? Yes, they read the same. the only difference will be that one pump will fill the tank faster, the price will be the same. Just like "juicing" the truck, you are adding fuel faster than stock. The meter will "count" fuel slow or fast but the "postion sensor" only reads a time varible with set of "fixed" parameters. Going beyond the "set parameters" is almost immpossible with a metering system. Go past the flow limmit and you'll blow something

;)

Burner tongue.gif

[Reno DMAX]

Do you think the instrument cluster would be swapable with the 01/02's?

J. Pendlum, get on this one! :rolleyes:

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[Heavy Duty Neil]

Reno DMAX & others, I've read that an '03 cluster will not work in any 99-02 trucks, because it uses a new electrical/bus system. Plus, someone told me that the trucks VIN # is embedded into the cluster, so that it will only work on the truck with the same VIN. I guess GM is tired of all the odometer fraud going on. ;) Here's a quote from an article I found:

"Advanced electrical system
While many new Silverado and Sierra features will capture the consumers' eyes, it's the new advanced electrical system that makes them possible. "We like to call what we've done 'modern alchemy' — changing copper into silicon," White said. "This highly sophisticated electrical architecture is the enabler for the many segment-leading features that we will offer on our full-size pickups."

The advanced new electrical architecture takes the use of multiplexing to a new level. Multiplexing uses a common wire to send information between modules. The new Silverado and Sierra use it to integrate the entire electrical system. The system is highly integrated - with distributed computing and numerous zone modules all connected by a serial data network. By replacing copper wires with integrated circuit boards at every opportunity, GM engineers significantly increased processing power to support the trucks' increased electrical and "smart" content.

The new architecture also enables them to greatly reduce wires, splices and connectors for improved quality. Additional diagnostic capability designed into the electronic control modules will provide quicker, easier and less costly servicing and reduced warranty costs."


On a personal note, I like the new interiors (finally saw one last night). I just wish they would have been smart enough to leave the exterior alone. My girlfriend said it best last night when we first saw the new Chevy nose..."It doesn't look very Manly....It looks like a pu$$y truck." :D

[Chris N5CWM]

What worries me about that neat technology?

What is it going to cost when problems start
after the warranty is up? How much are parts
going to be to repair this cool technology when
the truck has a few years and maybe 100,000+
miles on it?

I'm not against technology, but the automakers
aren't coming up with this stuff to sell cars
and trucks. The US Gov't is basically making
laws tougher every year (emissions,
crashworthiness) that the automakers are FORCED
to be creative and this "technology" is reflected
in the MSRP of the vehicles. Just look at how
much a 3/4 ton pickup costs right now. $40 Grand
for a new D/A pickup!? I bought my Chevy 2500
Silverado 4x4 extended cab long bed 6.5TD 4L80E
for $26,000 brand new back in '94! :(
What is the MSRP going to be on these things in
the next 5-10 years at this rate?
To put it in perspective, a new Corvette and a
new 2500HD D/A costs about the same!

[DMAX Daddy]

If the electrical system works anything like some of my equipment does, say you got a taillight out and it isnt the bulb. They pull the cable out of the assembly (like a telephone cable) and connect it to the "magic box".

The "magic box" will tell you if the taillight assembly is bad, or it isnt getting a signal.

I hate to say it but electrical problems can take forever the old way (due to lack of training for techs), this way fixes them quick.

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[andy911]

Chris N5CWM:
I hear your concerns, but as far as reliability goes, automobile electronics are no different than any other. Once you get through the initial 'burn-in' period, the electronic components are usually very reliable and long lasting. It's just like buying a new home stereo, if it lasts the first couple of months, chances are it will last 10 years or more. With the 'smart' systems that are now being used another reliability issue is the software programmed into them. Usually this can be re-programmed to fix 'bugs' (as with the current ECM/TCM upgrades) and once fixed, the software doesn't degrade or change.

One concern however is the long term availability of electronic module spares. While manufacturers like GM will keep stock of most modules for many years, the electronic component manufacturers (eg. Chip Makers) are notorious for obseleting or discontinuing items that are no longer in demand, without giving any notice. Often the buyer (GM or GM supplier) only finds out about this when they go to re-order components and find they aren't made any more and there is no viable alternative. I work with industrial electronics and this has happened to us a number of times. :eek:

I agree with DMax Daddy that these new systems do help with ease of diagnostics etc., PROVIDED the person using the diagnostic equipment knows what they are doing. There is also the issue of who diagnoses the diagnostic equipment and ensures it is working properly :confused: This is going to be a major auto-repair nightmare as time goes on.

Sorry for the long post :D