Allison Shift Kits

[Greg McCall]

Is anyone on the board using the new Transgo Shift kit ? Any prices ?
Recently Quad was looking into a shift Kit to market, so I need to do some research (make a call) and step up to the plate.

[ratlover]

I hope someone chimes in with some personal experience with just using the transgo shift kit and the Alli. I dont have the $$$ or desire to do a complete trany upgrade but a new VB if its reasonable or a shift kit might be an option.

I have always though transgo was one of if not the best in the way of kits for other tranys. JMO though

[403turbo]

Well I can help you a little,

I have the Suncoast upgrade that uses the Transgo shift kit.

My upgrade included a new TC with a lot more lockup clutch material. The shop that installed it replaced the C2 clutch pack as suggested by the shift kit instructions.

I can tell you that after a hundred miles or so of aggressive driving the shifts are mostly smooth and firm. My transmission is actually happier now when under a load. Sometimes when using very light throttle the shift quality is a little harsh, but in most city driving situations a passenger would never know it has a shift kit. I feel none of the fifth gear shudder and hesitation I felt under WOT with level 4 juice.

The Transgo kit requires that the guts of the transmission come out so that new springs can be installed on the C2 Clutch apply cage. So the trans must be pulled to install this kit. As long as you are doing that you might as well put the super tough torque convertor in. FYI....several people myself included have had welded mounting lugs on the OEM TC crack and cause serious leaks. Do not half a$$ a trans upgrade, the Allison is a tough trans but it is not capable of holding on to all the torque that even the reg juice can make.

I have felt a significant increase in power since the suncoast upgrade, the juice was backing off in my truck and I didn't even know it.

I spent the same money installing the suncoast upgrade as I would have just paying the dealer to fix the TC. No brainer for me.

[Kennedy]

403 Turbo,

How did your old C2 hardware look?

[ACCRASH]

Just wondering, are the C-2 clutch pack and the TC the primary weakpoints in the allison? Are there any other clutch packs that are having a hard time with the extra HP? I want more power but I don't dare on the stock transmission. :(


Chuck

[sdaver]

welcome 403 turbo to the no slipn fifth club.......12K on my suncoast.........hammered daily........... :D dave

[403turbo]

John,

I did not get to see the trans apart, the shop that did the install was a ways away from home but had an excellent reputation, I spoke on the phone to the installer and he said that the C2 clutches looked fine but he had already ordered them per the shift kit instructions, so he put the new parts in.

I did see the cracked weld on the OEM convertor, after a careful cleaning and inspection it was obvious where the leak was. Overall the design of the TC seemed to be flawed, those long legs seem to have a lot of leverage on the weld, if not torqued properly I could see how they could fail. The crack was actually at the base of the weld in the stamped cover of the convertor not the weld itself, wrong material or the area got too hot during the weld process and crystalized. Either way we will see more failures of that design.

All in all I could not be happier with the Suncoast upgrade, when the TC locks it really feels like another gear, I have a 5 1/2 speed allison now :D

I would suggest that anyone that wants to go hotter than a regular juice seriously look at helping the Allison cope with the power, I have learned that just because it's not limping doesn't mean its not slipping.


Thanks SDAVER....my only problem now is that I KNOW the trans can take a beating, so now I need more power!!! I think I might need a support group of some sort.......D/A should stand for DIESEL ANONYMOUS :D :D

Get paid tomorrow......might need an ATTITUDE adjustment :cool:

ACCRASH....Yes the TC and the C2 clutches are the weak point ......at least up to about 550 HP at the flywheel....after that all bets are off...something else will slip........ probably all four tires smile.gif

If your thinking about a trans upgrade (and you should) spend your money with John Kennedy and Joe @ Suncoast I worked with both for my upgrade.....customer service #1 and tons of knowledge about what they sell.

[dmaxalliTech]

I have a tranny kit en route from TransGO, I am interested my self in seeing how it compares to others, I have installed ATS kit. Sounds like its gonna be a good deal, Reletively inexpensive also... stay tuned..

[Greg McCall]

Just the information I was looking for, so now all we have to do is find a local Shop with the expertise to install the parts.
What would the kit do to your warranty or should we ask ?

[BassinRVer]

Are yall talking about Stage I, II, or III?

[dmaxalliTech]

Bassin, I dont think there is any "level" to this kit, its just a single level kit and from what I have heard from alot of people, its the same kit Suncoast is using, minus the conv.

Ratlover, should have one on hand for Diesel Day in MI

As far as warr issues, Hope they dont have to replace tranny!.. other then that, what kit?

[403turbo]

BassinRVer,

My Suncoast kit is the Level 1, well kinda the 1.5 with the replacement of the C2 hardware. Joe at suncoast thought that the single large disk convertor was way under rated as advertised and the tripledisc is damn near indestructable in as much as something else will fail long before the convertor slips.

The Transgo kit itself is just one version, no levels, its a nice kit, fixes a few Allison quirks along with beefing it up. No more drainback problems when sitting for long periods, changes some spring and small pin for the parking pall. Its a "as long as you have it apart" kinda thing.

I got mine as part of a kit so not sure about price as a stand alone but given the performace and the fixes for the small problems I would say it has to be one of the best values in trans upgrade on the market.

[mtomac]

Mike L,

What is the life expectancy of the stock C1 clutches with the TransGo kit when brake stalling the converter to 10psi for 4wd launches at the dragstrip and at the pulling track?

[mtomac]

I burned the c1's up in the stock Allison after about 35 10psi launches at the dragstrip and the pulling track. I don't do burn outs, no need with 4wd launches and 1.6X second 60' times but I do have a heavier 4wd crew cab truck.

[BassinRVer]

SO what I should do is get the Transgo and new clutch plates. Where do I get this Transgo Kit and the clutch plates?

[ratlover]

Dmaxallitech, I really need to get a parts list of stuff for you. I have kinda been putting things off since I cant decide if I am going to deisel day or not and I figured I could just give you a list and pick it up and not worry about shipping. I ned to get off my but and quite hem-hawing around :mad:

I am going to get the deep pan(need to before the plow season) I figured I could put a new VB in while I had the pan dropped but I gota yank the tranny to install the kit YUK! tongue.gif Dont like the idea of yanking the tranny on a brand new truck :rolleyes: and then the while I'm in there thinking starts taking over :rolleyes:

In the very little reading I have done there is a BIG disagreement with the cummins guys as to multi disk or single disk. I would assume its the same philosophy for the alli :confused:

So is the transgo truck just running their kit and a different converter?

[BassinRVer]

So I should get the convertor too. Where can I get that too.

BTW i want to stack the hot juice with something else but I want to make sure the tranny can handle it, at the same time i do not have 5000 for full rebiult tranny.

[403turbo]

BassinRVer,


Call Joe @ suncoast.....tell him what you want to do....now and in the future....hot juice...quad....... some strange stack.....truck pulls....drag racing.....whatever. Joe will recommend a level and depending on how much abuse you have given the trans thus far he will tell you exactly what you need as far as clutch parts ect. Then call JK, and tell him that you talked with Joe and need XYZ. JK orders it and the poor SOB UPS guy drops a 115lbs package on your doorstep.

The convertor showed up one day and no Transgo, called suncoast, the folks are great to work with, the transgo showed up the next day, got separated by UPS.

If you want to see the instructions for the Transgo they are here http://www.ttspowersystems.com/download/instructions.pdf

Take the instructions to a trans shop and let them get a feel for what has to happen, things go smoother that way.

[HDLD]

I talked to Joe today and he was quite helpful. Seriously considering a level 2 since I installed a Quad 135HP yesterday. Better to be safe than sorry. Just have to figure out how to rationalize all these expenditures!

One thing I forgot to ask, if I took it easy in level 1 Quad (70HP) during the winter, could I still put on the Stage II in the spring without worry of deterioration being present?

[403turbo]

I would say yes you should be fine. I beat the P*** out of my truck with the 90 hp juice and my C2 hardware was OK. The thing is....you have to take it all apart for the upgrade so springing for the C2 fiction and steels is cheap insurance that all of your $ will pay off.

[dmaxalliTech]

Mike L, could you shoot me an email please?
Eric

[mtomac]

what does the TTS/Transgo truck weigh?

[mackin]

Originally posted by Mike L.:
Why would you need all the extra stuff done to the trans? Nobody is running the times that the Transgo/TTS truck is running. The truck will break 11's soon.(believe it guys). This truck is a Viper killer.Transgo shift kit, converter, 4" exhaust Extreme chip.(guess who?). Transmission is just fine. Dont make things more complicated than they are. So what are you running for enhancements that the Transgo ,converter is holding if you would ??

Mac

[BassinRVer]

so how much for transgo, convertor and clutch plates?

[ 09-26-2003, 05:00 AM: Message edited by: BassinRVer ]

[mtomac]

which clutches does the transgo kit come with?

[mtomac]

I think a transmission upgrade that doesn't at least give you a new set of stock C1,C2,C3 clutches is a waste of time and money if used/abused clutches are suppose to be put back in the tranny when the shift kit and converter are installed.

Likewise I think a tranny upgrade using stock clutches instead of using more clutch disks/frictions or a better clutch disk material will not hold big power especially in a heavier 4x4 EC or CC SRW or Dually truck.

[BassinRVer]

Mike L.

do you have a web page or phone number?

[sdaver]

call joe......see sig........even though mike t has a ats I agree change the clutches......10k+ miles on my suncoast

[chuntag95]

Originally posted by sdaver:
10k+ miles on my suncoast :eek: Already?

[HDLD]

Sdaver, so do you have the Suncoast Stage III?

Ooops, disregard. I see you have already stated a 3.5 in another post.

[ 09-26-2003, 06:11 PM: Message edited by: HDLD ]

[Geerrhead]

I have had the privelage of installing a TransGo shift kit. It's a very well thought out kit.I have used many of thier products in racing applications before. The Suncoast converter that Joe sell's, is top shelf. Joe has great service, thanks Joe! :D

[mackin]

Originally posted by Geerrhead:
I have had the privelage of installing a TransGo shift kit. It's a very well thought out kit.I have used many of thier products in racing applications before. The Suncoast converter that Joe sell's, is top shelf. Joe has great service, thanks Joe! :D Yes you did and a fine job you did .... Thanks again ...

Well guys you could play around with this and that but do it all when that beast of a tranny is on the ground .... More to come ,going out to show it off today to some page members ....

Mac :D :D :D :D

[BassinRVer]

Mike L.

Thanks for your number but I think i have the answers I am looking for.

[BassinRVer]

Greg McCall

Please e-mail me at rjconner@transystems.com. I also need a good tranny shop to install this stuff.

[Christian Roth]

The transgo kit works well, but is not the be all end all of kits. We have burned C3 with the kit installed @500HP. Although the kit is excellent value for your money, just don't think it will hold 600HP all day long for 250k miles.

[ratlover]

but for someone wanting to run a 125 juice and never worry about baking things it should be perfect?

[Christian Roth]

Originally posted by ratlover:
but for someone wanting to run a 125 juice and never worry about baking things it should be perfect? Should be perfect.

[403turbo]

The last couple of night here in western NY have been a little on the cool side. Say high 30's.

When I back out of the driveway that first shift into drive is a dinger :eek:

REALLY hard, no bad noises or anything but just real damn hard.

Only noticed it in the last couple of days, only the first time I do it, once warm it goes away.

This is really the only quirk that I have with the Transgo. Otherwise very happy and confident that this trans will take me to the mid level horsepower that I want. (+150 or so)

You probably cannot go nuts with power >150 without a more aggressive trans upgrade, which would be a Transgo and then some other stuff, better clutches, triple disc convertor .....

For those of us that are not completely insane ;) The Transgo and a convertor is the best and most valuable trans upgrade.

In other words....most bang for the buck.

[dmaxalliTech]

Fed Ex guy just delivered my Trans GO kit, got if from TTS/ Steve Cole... Thanks Steve.
Install awaits!

[Texas Red Wagon]

Fed Ex guy just delivered my Trans GO kit, got if from TTS/ Steve Cole... Thanks Steve.
Install awaits! :D

Did you get the converter too?
Scott

[dmaxalliTech]

TRW, not at this time, will likely add it later if I feel its needed

[wild bore]

Hey dmaxallitech, how much was the transgo kit and what is steve cole`s website?

[wild bore]

thanks, mike Do you think an allison dealer or a performance trans shop would be best to have the kit installed.

[Kennedy]

Suncoast or ATS would be my recommendation for parts suppliers.

Any Allison shop or a good trans shop should be able to do the install.

[Kennedy]

I'm far from a transmission expert myself, but from what I'm told, it doesn't get much simpler/straight forward than the Allison 1000.

My recommendation STILL is to give strong consideration to having one of the trans companies do a full build if you are into stacking. This way, you know it was done right and if something goes wrong, there is no doubt about the install...


Hopefully some time this fall/winter, I'll flog mine some more and see what happens, then have a trans guy pull it apart and see what I've hurt...

[Texas Red Wagon]

I had an allison dealer do mine without any problems. They actually had some c1 clutches they put in for
no charge. :D
Did not need them but I had bought the tech. a soda water. well worh it.
Scott

[Kennedy]

FWIW, from what I've been hearing, C1 will repeat fail if not improved upon in the hardware (read as NOT shift kit and OE clutches alone) department....


My steels looked like belleville washers! :eek:

[BassinRVer]

TRW,

Which Allison shop work on your tranny?

[Texas Red Wagon]

Bassin
I had Stewart & Stevenson in Htown do mine. They did a great job and did some other work to my truck a the same time.
Scott

[BassinRVer]

TRW,

Can you send me a e-mail. rjconner@transystems.com

[dmaxalliTech]

The big slush box comes out of "blue thunder" tomarrow for the Trans go kit... anybody know how to upload pics here with out a seperate url? Can you do it from your computer?

Eric

[big dipper]

What did you have to do to get him to give you a kit? You are running only the Hot Juice, correct? So why did Steve approach you?

[MAV]

So is the Suncoast converter really needed with a Quad 135 or HJ? I would like to just get the Trans-go if it is enough. Whats the benifet of the new converter over the stocker?

[big dipper]

Mav,
My personal opinion, I wouldn't waste the money on a replacement single disc. You are in there, it is only a few dollars more, and in the long run, you will be better off. Again, my opinion, the stock converter would be OK to about 425-450 depending on how hard you are on it. The Transgo is a great design....you wouldn't believe the abilities of those 2 little valves. Big things come in little packages.

George

[wild bore]

What I want to do is upgrade reg. to hot juice. I don`t drag race,it`s a work truck, too much stuff in the back. I have launched from a standstill only twice when I first put the juice on. I mostly hit it from a roll to pass slow cars and irk leather gloved bozos in beemers. would I need a triple disc converter for that?

Big dipper, are you a trans guy?

[big dipper]

A tranny guy.......I would have to say no. Let's just say I am determined. I have learned a bit from being around trannies and that helped with understanding the Allison. I can tell you that my truck wouldn't hold the Hot Juice until I bought ATS's level 1 from Kennedy. I would honestly say you don't need the HJ, but what fun would that be?

As many have said, you have to pay to play....
I would opt for the Transgo, it's a very nice kit. The thing is, you need to drop the tranny to put it in anyway, so if you must, get the HJ, you can fix anything you tear up then. As for the Triple-lock.....I would think you would be OK with the stock one if the HJ is as far as you are gonna go.

George

WB, just saw you are local, before you make any decisions, we should hook up.

[Kennedy]

Mav,

I've been told that the OE converter is just fine. I don't agree.


403Turbo experienced a cracked lug on his OE converter. From what I am told his issue has plagued other MFR's as well. Allison even increased the leverage by using longer legs.


Brandenburg's OE converter clutch showed signs of being burned as well.

[dmaxalliTech]

These are just personal thoughts and I am probably just blubbering in the wind so ignore if I bore...

The 'average' guy out there is gonna get himself a hot juice tops and play with it. I for one, including myself, cant see spending a ton of money on upgrading a tranny to hold 500+ hp when I only need it to hold 375. As far as the conv goes, is it not that most of the problem we have is limping due to slipping third/fifth? When your hammering down from the light, the conv is putting power through it, the only major gain you have with aftermarket conv is strenght in lockup. I have gotten countless emails from people very excited about having a decent tranny kit installed for less the the cost of the ats stage one parts. I suppose if the conv does need replacement, its a couple hour job tops. But the price of that 1100-1500 convertor scares alot of people. If I was Mike Tomac, I would buy the best, because of how he uses the truck... If I am me, I believe that the Trans go kit is sufficient. But, I have not installed it yet so my opinions could change!
Eric

[403turbo]

Having recently spent $2200 on a tranny upgrade I think I can see both sides. There is a lot of wisdom in what dmaxallitech has said. If you never abused(limped) your tranny and never intend on going beyond +125 horse with the hot juice or similar you will "probably" be OK..........probably

I had the Transgo installed and I am SOLD. What a great kit, someone said great things come in small packages and it is true. Those few springs and valves do wonders for positive power transfer.

HOWEVER!

Pulling and fixing this tranny is no small task, I can only admire those here who have done it on thier own. This unit is BIG for a light truck and is not easy to handle. As long as it is all apart PLAN FOR THE FUTURE.

c'mon guys.....no one can long resist the siren song of this diesel fumagated forum. Given enough prodding by our diesel peers we will all give into the gravatational pull of HP and torque. Once we have the Hot juice we will wonder about a stack, or the quad 215. The idea that we can make 7000lbs trucks scoot like corvettes will haunt us all until we submit.

:D Ok maybe it's just me :D

Anyway, my father always said a job worth doing is worth doing right. The stock convertor is a poor design. The process of welding the long/tall mounting legs onto the stamped face of convertor causes an inherient weakness. One that can cause serious leaks when the welds crack. I had the Dextron undercoat option on my truck for a while. It has since stripped the wax coating off the frame. :mad:

Long story short, I HAD to replace the convertor. But while I had it apart I put in the Transgo.

Don't put in the Transgo and then regret not putting in a real torque convertor.

Convertor is a $1000 but labor to install a convertor alone is a solid $500. Simply by doing them both at the same time you pay for half the convertor. Installing the Transgo requires a lot more labor than the TQ. Yet 90% of what it takes to install the convertor also has to be done to install the Transgo.

GET IT DONE and never worry about it again.

Just my $.02

[dmaxalliTech]

I suppose part of the issue that I am not getting, until I reread my last post, is that I have the ability to install the converter free of charge (other then the price of conv) in just a couple hours.. I suppose that if I was faced with having to pay 6 hours of shop rate at 80 bucks an hour to put it in after the fact, I would reexamine my decision. And I bet that once you have a beefed tranny, those stacks will be tempting. But, I am still thinking from average Joe point of things. I think that if your contemplating installing this kit, its better to do it before you find out you need it to save on parts/ once it gets limped something slipped and may require attention. If you do it ahead of the game, your saving also. I too, admire those who have done any kind of r&r work at home with out a lift, that is a heavy SOB in the first place with the proper tools, I cant imagine a creeper and a floor tranny jack!

[BassinRVer]

How far into the job are you Dmaxallitech? How do your clutches look?

[big dipper]

Mike L.
Maybe you should come over and tell me what the secret is........working right now for me.

on edit: I forgot, I had to drill 2 holes :rolleyes:

[ 10-07-2003, 03:01 PM: Message edited by: big dipper ]

[dmaxalliTech]

Originally posted by BassinRVer:
How far into the job are you Dmaxallitech? How do your clutches look? Put the kit in tonite, ready to go back in truck in the morning.. c2's were dark.. I cant post picss here with out a website.. I have a bunch of them showing steps and things I found to work good

Eric

[thechevyhdman]

I think the main issue here, for me at least is just general worry. I have a Transgo kit sitting in my garage, a T-C could be available tommorrow. My main worry is reliability. My tranny is pretty decent, 43K and still kicking, yes I can slip, yes Ive limped it
My other main concern is while its out you might as well...... Seriously pulling a tranny, tearing it open, putting in new hardware isnt something you want to do too often. I have no problem spending the money, Just guess "If it aint broke" mentality is killing me...Yeah I wanna run HJ and maybe some other stuff, I would be now but I know it will kill my tranny.
Honestly, Ive heard of some failures with these kits, thats what worries me. This is something I only want to do once. Mike L, D-A tech keep us informed, and be honest.
My plan pull tranny, fix clutches heck replace em anyways, install T-Go kit, Install Suncoast convertor. Is that good or not???
Let me know
Bill

[big dipper]

Mike L.......are you really Steve Cole?

Here's the thing Mike, I stated the abilities of 2 little valves....that did not mean there was nothing left to the kit. I thought it was kind of interesting that they could supply an exta 120 or so psi to the alternate clutch pack in the combination to make up a gear.......don't question my knowledge on this subject....you will lose. Ask me about a E40D, a 4OD, or any such other....and I will concede.

One other thing, your credibility went out the window with me when you stated that they, assuming you meant Transgo, have been testing a truck that put down over 600hp with only Steve Cole's programming. Have a nice life........

[ 10-07-2003, 06:55 PM: Message edited by: big dipper ]

[dmaxalliTech]

when the two little valves are the ones that control line pressure to the clutches, they do amazing things...

As far as Mike L goes.. he is smarter then all of us put in a room.. I know that for sure..Sometimes the truth hurts cause it aint what you wanna hear..

Has anybody went and proved the TTS truck did not exsist? Do we think it might belong to Broker???? I have seen that high dollered ATS stuff fail to,, but Clint is very good on service with his stuff so cust will not be put out. I have yet to see anybody besides the 'big three' (ats, suncoast and trans go) do alot of the r&d needed to make these boxes hold on.. I know BD has a tranny too. When I hear the Transgo name, its gets my attention, I have been using there stuff and Gil Younger kits for years now and they have always done exactly as promised and work every time.....
Eric

[big dipper]

As far as Mike L goes.. he is smarter then all of us put in a room.. I know that for sure..Sometimes the truth hurts cause it aint what you wanna hear..

Eric, I am sorry you feel that way, you should have more confidence in yourself.....but don't involve me in that, just cause I have talked to you a few times through IM, doesn't mean you know me....I never claimed to know more than him, just that I know about the Transgo and the Allison.

No one said the TTS truck didn't exist.....I am sure it does, but the numbers coming out on these boards and what Steve tells other people just don't add up. One time it is, "the truck came off the rollers at 500"......have you ever seen a truck do this on a dyno....I for one would like to see it. The next time it is,"430 is the most you can get out of a stock fuel system". So that just leaves one question to be answered, where is the other 100+ hp that is being claimed.....especially with Steve's programming alone? I hope he never got a hold of some snapshots from a Tech II, that would really be messed up to screw a couple guys who were helping someone out..........

I'm done here, now someone can jump in and twist up my words to make it into an argument again :rolleyes:

[sdaver]

you guys keep arguing and Ill keep on enjoying my comp juice / quad 215 stack with propane if I choose with no slip or limp issues thanks to joe at suncoast............honestly unless your like eric and have the ability to use lifts and tranny jacks at will then pulling the tranny without changing the TC just doesnt make sense. by the way It FEELS REAL GOOD to spank a 03 cobra :D dave

[dmaxalliTech]

Big D.. I have no personal feelings against you, you helped me with some information when I did the ATS kit and I appreciated that. I suppose I did come off a little abrasive so I apologize for sounding that way. My comment regarding Mike L only meant that he has been doing this along long time and has a lot of knowledge that can benefit us all.. Again, I apologize for being brash.
( and the snapshots were never even taken) :D

Anywho, back to trucks. I drove my truck tonite after the install and its shift are very nice.. You know its there but it doesnt remind you everytime you change gears under normal driving. I did have burnt c2's in mine. I suppose that if I were to sell somebody this kit, I would likely not offer it with out the conv for reasons that Mike has told me. The conv is a very good design and works very well. I shall soon be getting one I am sure. Total time to install and r&r was about 4 hours. Good contender with the other guys for options on the tranny upgrades...

[ratlover]

Eric, So how much for the kit/converter/install if someone were to pay cash? ;) Assuming the clutches arnt bye bye yet that is.

Did you get my email about the switches? My email has been kinda flakey as of late. No biggy just wondering.

pblackburn at cilco com

Thanks

[BassinRVer]

Well I just sent my check to Joe at Suncoast. We have been talking and e-mailing each other. So I'll be getting Stage II.5 or almost the Stage III. Now, I need to call Stewart and Stevenson for an install date.

[BassinRVer]

Dmaxallitech,

Did you feel like you put your foot in your mouth and had to Appologize to your boss.

GM is looking at what we are doing and big dipper is the spy.

[BassinRVer]

Big Dipper,

Steve Cole never said the truck came off the drum. He said said he rolled the tire off the roller. I just heard his sells pitch yesterday. When he said this I had to ask what he meant and he told me that the tire blew up.

[big dipper]

Well, Bassin, I heard exactly what I quoted above. Sorry if you got yet another story and don't believe me.....I could care less. Kinda funny how you are telling me I am wrong about a conversation that was between Steve and I ....... unless you are a spy. Maybe you should be careful about your accusations.....

Eric had to apologize for nothing. I was only mad long enough to type my response.....then I felt better :D ....

Mike L.... ;)

[403turbo]

thechevyhdman,

In case no one answered your queston from 10 posts ago, yes the Transgo and a Suncoast or similar convertor is going to hold on to a lot of power. The key is the current condition of your tranny. The Transgo will prevent the Allison from hurting itself, but if it is already hurt.....your not going to get the full benefit of the upgrade.

For example brand new allison w/transgo and beefed convertor is going to hold at least 500 horse.

Now take John Kennedy's Allison ( that by his own words has been pushed hard) put the same upgrade in and it will not hold as much without new clutches.

The C2 clutches are the first to show wear, replace those and unless you have had a 150+ power adder and been doing a lot of high boost lauches, you probably haven't hurt the C1 clutches.

The Transgo and a TC of the proper design will hold 500 horse and thats a conservative number, just playing it safe.

[BassinRVer]

Big Dipper,

Obviously you missed the joke. It has been posted here that GM is monitoring us thru OnStar and even a hidden camera on JK license(SP) plate that caught him peeing on the side of the road. I am sorry you did not get the Joke. It was also rumored that GM could try to use this forum to deny warranty claim because of the mods someone has. I hope this clears things up.

:thumb:

[big dipper]

Bassin,

Yes, guilty as charged, I missed it....those who know me know I am a guilty in many ways :D whether it be taking things the wrong way to doing things I am not supposed to......

No harm, no foul......I am thick skinned.

George

And to add to 403....the slip that you feel that happens going into 3rd and 5th is the C3 clutch pack....I would recommend having one of them on hand when you drop the tranny.


...one other thing, proud member of UAW Local 239....

[BassinRVer]

C3 or C2 for 3rd and 5th? I just ordered the C2 from Suncoast which is what I thought was the first to go bad.

[mtomac]

1st gear C1 & C5
2nd gear C1 & C4
3rd gear C1 & C3
4th gear C1 & C2
5th gear C2 & C3
Reverse C3 & C5

Unless the trans had never seen more than stock hp I would at least replace C1, C2, C3 if you're going to pull the trans.

[BassinRVer]

OK. I had original just ordered the C2 clutches but I just ordered the C1 and C3 also. Does that mean I have the full Stage III now. I may have to sell my boat.

[big dipper]

Well, if you ordered all of them, you might as well order C4.....if you are getting the modified clutches. With this I mean more than stock capacity......then you will have the level 3.

[LMorse]

On average, how much quicker is the transgo, converter, and new clutches making our trucks.. I just wonder what I could expect.. Say just with hot juice or a stack.. I'm very curious..

[LMorse]

What choices do we have as far as aftermarket clutches other than stock replacements?? Help would be greatly appreciated...

[sdaver]

bassin you wont be disappointed........dipper a spy.........not..... just a great guy.... :D dave

[mackin]

The triple lock converter from Suncoast makes a big difference .... Took a few fellers out for a ride last night including Geerhead (Tranny Tech who worked on mine ;) )and he concurred my feelings, it's mighty powerful down low .... With no spool up off the line when she hooks up she hooks up ..... Yeee Oweeeee ,baaaaark !!!!! Gotta luv a barking dually !!!!! Was that 2nd you were barely in it ?? Without a doubt !!!!!

=> Suncoast'ed level (?) infinity .... Allison Viagra , push it Hard day or night<=

Mac :D :D :D :D

Gee JK I'm surprised you aren't building the tranny,who knew .... I thought you were checking your clutches on a regular basis .... I think I just one upped you .... http://www.turbodieselregister.com/ubb/hihi.gif http://www.turbodieselregister.com/ubb/hihi.gif

[ 10-10-2003, 03:32 AM: Message edited by: mackin ]

[BassinRVer]

Joe,

Has my package left yet? Just kidding but I am getting antcee(SP?) I can not spell for .... well you know. I am an engineer, I can do math all day.

[chuntag95]

Bassin,

Did you get modified clutches? I would think Stewart and Stevenson would have the clutches on hand being an Allison dealer. You going back with Transynd too?

[mackin]

Originally posted by Mike L.:
I would like to know about these new clutches that are better. Please inform me. The best clutches we have found are B/W. Raybestos is marketing a new clutch line and will be tested by Transgo. I hope no one here mentions the word Alto. IMHO, if you see that word on your clutches, run for the hills. Interesting ...

what is your experience that brings you to this conclusion ??

Mac :confused: :confused: :confused:

[big dipper]

I hope we aren't starting round 2 :D
I shouldn't have said it the way I did....I meant modified clutch packs. I know the frictions will be a differet material, but I have no claim or evidence for that matter that one manufacturer makes a better performing clutch than the other. I was refering to the clutch packs that increase clutch capacity...you know more clutches in a clutch pack. I think I am too late with this statement though....... ;)

MY OPINION...the steels are more than thick enough to shed some material to increase capacity...others do not believe this to be true...some think the steels should stay at stock specs to disipate the heat. Then a guy could stay with the B/W clutches or use a factory replacement in the original thickness. I am sure thinner clutches will be available soon enough that will have the same thickness core, but the paper will be thinner.....which means you will have a thinner clutch and could leave the steels at factory specs. There are a number of ways to skin this cat fellas....all in who you talk with.

Mike...the reason I deleted my post....it was my work email and I didn't want to get swamped, especially after being called a spy....everyone that knows me knows I would use what I have to help them .... not hurt them.

[Kennedy]

I'm just waiting until you guys all quit tearing these things up so I can see what you end up with that will hold. I haven't done much testing, but I do know that I have a combination that my Allison cannot hold, and quite frankly, I don't have the time or ambition to R&R it so I guess I'll have to take it easy...

[dmaxalliTech]

Mike, interesting commonts on the ALTO clutches... I have installed numerous of those 9 disk commercial 3-4 packs in 700's...Do you think that they are creating a seperate problem then what they are fixing? Do you just use the 6 disk setup? How are you beefing the 3-4? Sorry its not an Allison but just curious if there is a better way

[dmaxalliTech]

BD and Mike, thanks for the heads up! I am going back to the drawing board on my "beefed build" I will be going to the Raybestos stuff.. THanks a million guys!

[mackin]

Eric

Your not happy with the SC Transgo kit(convertor (?)) install you just did last week,you did do it didn't you ???

Mac :confused:

[ 10-12-2003, 06:15 PM: Message edited by: mackin ]

[dmaxalliTech]

Originally posted by mackin:
Eric

Your not happy with the SC Transgo kit(convertor (?)) install you just did last week,you did do it didn't you ???

Mac :confused: Mac, very happy with it, It works sweet! We were talkin mini trucks (1/2 tons) there for a minute with Mike and BigD. I did not install a new conv with kit, but that think is awesome with what I am doing. Its hardly noticable when normal driving and there when you need it!!

[mackin]

Was it ,Transgo, enough to cure the limp and zing into neutral ?? Sorry for confusing the two subjects ...

Mac

[dmaxalliTech]

Originally posted by mackin:
Was it ,Transgo, enough to cure the limp and zing into neutral ?? Sorry for confusing the two subjects ...

Mac Juice/att on level 5 with pred stack, no hint to a slip.. truck will break loose at 40 mph. VERY impressed. On the lookout for more power to test it more.. tried a quad 215 box this weekend but it didnt load properly and gave up on it... and it would have been stacked with Juice :eek: :eek:

[mtomac]

I have a couple combos for ya Eric, if it holds them then we'll spray a 125hp shot at it

[BassinRVer]

Chris,

I did not get modified clutches. I went ahead and got the the plates from Suncoast to make sure I had them. Yes I will go with Transynd.

[dmaxalliTech]

Originally posted by Micheal Tomac:
I have a couple combos for ya Eric, if it holds them then we'll spray a 125hp shot at it AH, WELL, UM,,,,I WOULD HATE FOR YOU TO HAVE TO TAKE ALL THAT OFF AND ALL.. MAYBE SOMEDAY THOUGH!!
WE WILL BE LOOKING FOR YA NEXT YEAR AT THE DYNO RUN!!!! YOUR RUNNING LAST

[BassinRVer]

I should have my package on Wednesday.

[BassinRVer]

My package arrived today. Steward and Stevenson will do the install tomorrow.

[3-Fan]

BassinRVer,

Just curious what they are gonna charge you for the install? Just to see if the prices I am getting up here aren't too much outta line.

Thanks!!

[dmaxalliTech]

3-fan, what are they charging you? what kit? you can email me if you would like.
Eric

[3-Fan]

dmaxalliTech,

U have mail! :D

[BassinRVer]

I will let you know what is cost when I pick it up today or tomorrow.

[dmaxalliTech]

Originally posted by Mike L.:
3-Fan
Let Eric do it,if possible. I would. I don't say this kind of stuff about very many people.

mike Thanks smile.gif

[JrTuner]

Picked up a Sun Coast Stage IV when I was in FL. Installed it last Saturday. Transmission feels great. Took it to the local dragstrip last night and I think I might have got a bad torque converter. Feels like the stall speed is way too high. Spoke to Joe on the phone this morning and he is sending me another one. Wasn't planning on taking the trans out again but I guess it could be worse. I just hope that that is the problem.

[zip]

Mike L,
The Raybestos clutch packs you mention- are they the ones that are called the "blue plate specials'? Thanks
zip

[BassinRVer]

http://www.pbase.com/rjctamu/inbox

You can view my C1, C2, and C3 clutch plates. Some hot spots on C2 and C3, but the C1 were fine.

[mtomac]

have you done any high boost launches in 4wd?

[BassinRVer]

About 6 at a 1/8 mile track. It was how I first bent a tierod.

[Texas Red Wagon]

Bassin,
Glad to see everyhting is working well.
Scott

[BassinRVer]

Thanks TRW.

[airtime]

I here ya, talk about some HIGH $ MF's! You all kill me! (I bow down). If I may ask for some knowledge, My allison shutters between 2-3 in the t/h mode with a trailer, and between 4-5, or overdrive out of the t/h mode almost everytime. Now I don't continuously beat the hell out of it everytime I get in, but it has been know to smoke the tires thru town on a friday nite. Been to the dealer 4 times and they won't, or can't fix the prob. Just took it to Clarks Detroit/allison, and they said no problem. Should get it back tomorrow. Sound like clutches to you guys, or maybe a valve prob? Oh, by the way, I've got the 8.1 and not the max, hope that doesn't taint your view of me. I'm not pushin more than 350 hp, but look to maybe have about 450-500 when done, if I can get this damn tranny problem over with. Any help from you guys who's blood flows green would help-
Airtime-

[RKB'S HD]

airtime please e-mail me with what you found out about your shudder problem. i have the same rig as you 8.1 ally. same thing happening dealer don't know sh--t about these tranny's only how to dial the phone and jerk and replace. wish dmax allitech was'nt so far away i would make him rich!

rkb218@verizon.net
thanks
Robert:)

[dmaxalliTech]

I could move to CA for a few weeks if your gonna make me rich!! I could use it right now

[dmaxalliTech]

You mean you have work? I will be right there, spent most of the last few weeks polishing my hoist arms :(

[airtime]

RB,
Dude, 5 times this allison has been to the trans shop. 5 times I have gotten "Its good to go, have a nice day" 5 times I have gotten 3 miles from the shop and had it shutter again! Now I did find that the last time, I took it to an Allison dealer/rebuild shop and they told me that my oil drained out like water! (Even he was amazed!) He pulled the pan, drain plug, NO PARTICLES, he said. He about fell over when I told him my trans had been serviced 9k mi's ago by a GM dealer! He re-serviced my trans with Transynd, and no probs yet. A very long story goes with this, to make things short, I got it out from allison, put it in the shop for a lift and wheels, then got it back just now. With the 35" m/t's I now have on it, its hard to tell if it shutters, or if it's the trans. I did have the tech tell me that if I had any further probs to bring it right back, (he sounded genuine) and that he would call the rep from allison to come down and help him out. From what I gather, "Clarke detroit/diesel" is a common name around the US. If you have one around it would be worth the money, as I don't live on the west coast any more. ( since I bought this $40,000 nitemare, I wish I did.) Don't get me wrong, I love this truck, but to find someone to do work on it is impossible! If I don't get back to you in time email me @ rweir@indy.tds.net . I love my lift and tires now, this is how trucks used to be made! Hang tight, I'll get some pics soon.
Jethro