luvthesmellofdiesel
03-24-2003, 11:29
Okay, I have read the hundreds of posts regarding secondary fuel filtration and fuel additives. I have done some research on additives as well. I have also called nearly every Chevrolet dealer in town to find out the consensus on using a secondary fuel filtration system and fuel additives as well as information about injector failures.
What I would like to know is whether I really should install a secondary fuel filtration system (such as the one offered from Kennedy Diesel) or not? And also whether I should run an additive (such as TPPF) or not?
I consider myself a regular daily driver who takes my truck on roadtrips (I don't fly anywhere, so I always drive). I'll put about 20K miles on it per year (or less). I try to use "good" fuel but since there is no way to know where good fuel is, that's impossible. I try to buy from the same stations (use truck stops when out of town as much as possible), don't get fuel when the refueling truck is there, don't stop at the mom & pop's etc...
But the real question is: How are we (the average Joe owners of these) supposed to make the right educated decisions on whether to make this modification (adding a secondary fuel filter) and do something GM tells us specifically not to do (use an additive)?
When I asked the service folks at the dealers I called about the secondary fuel filtration systems, their responses were mixed. One guy said it would probably be ok, all the rest stated "word for word" that if I were to come in for warranty service and they saw this, it could cause me problems (and I know it would). Now I know that adding a secondary fuel filter should not cause an injector to wear, and from what I have read, it sounds like it shouldn't wear out the injector pump (since there is no lift pump), so I am not afraid to do this technically.
But what I don't want is to have to go into the dealer sometime in the future with the SES light on and a failing injector having them tell me that it's my fault because I have an aftermarket filtration system on my truck. I don't trust dealerships AT ALL. They are obviously under pressure to keep warranty costs down associated with the injectors. Anything they can do to cut warranty costs, they will. I don't like hiring lawyers and such to get my truck fixed either.
With regards to fuel additives, the verdict was unanimous: They all said to NOT do this and that it would definitely void my warranty. I obviously wouldn't tell them I used one. I am not a complete moron. One even went on and on about how everytime someone comes in with a fuel delivery related problem on a diesel, they take a fuel sample and send it to "their lab" for analysis and that if a fuel additive is found (and they'll find it), the warranty is history. This sounds like a load of BS to me..
Also, I asked about if this was a common problem. Each said, no not really, it's not an epidemic. However, each had a similar story to tell (wonder if the story is given to them by GM) regarding trucks they have seen come in all dirty from a "construction site" with "high mileage" that clearly haven't been taken care of and they had injector failure. I interrupted to ask what they meant by "high mileage" to which the responses were 70-80K miles! Now that's NOT high mileage, sorry...
So, what gives? I either do something that will likely void my warranty knowing that it will protect my vehicle and make it last longer, or I do what GM says and basically let my engine wear out faster, and replace fuel injectors when it has "high mileage" at 70K miles or so.
What do you recommend for all of us common folks to do? I want my truck to last and not have to buy a set of 8 fuel injectors at $500 a pop when it reaches the 100,000 mile mark when it's out of warranty.
Thanks,
Tim White
What I would like to know is whether I really should install a secondary fuel filtration system (such as the one offered from Kennedy Diesel) or not? And also whether I should run an additive (such as TPPF) or not?
I consider myself a regular daily driver who takes my truck on roadtrips (I don't fly anywhere, so I always drive). I'll put about 20K miles on it per year (or less). I try to use "good" fuel but since there is no way to know where good fuel is, that's impossible. I try to buy from the same stations (use truck stops when out of town as much as possible), don't get fuel when the refueling truck is there, don't stop at the mom & pop's etc...
But the real question is: How are we (the average Joe owners of these) supposed to make the right educated decisions on whether to make this modification (adding a secondary fuel filter) and do something GM tells us specifically not to do (use an additive)?
When I asked the service folks at the dealers I called about the secondary fuel filtration systems, their responses were mixed. One guy said it would probably be ok, all the rest stated "word for word" that if I were to come in for warranty service and they saw this, it could cause me problems (and I know it would). Now I know that adding a secondary fuel filter should not cause an injector to wear, and from what I have read, it sounds like it shouldn't wear out the injector pump (since there is no lift pump), so I am not afraid to do this technically.
But what I don't want is to have to go into the dealer sometime in the future with the SES light on and a failing injector having them tell me that it's my fault because I have an aftermarket filtration system on my truck. I don't trust dealerships AT ALL. They are obviously under pressure to keep warranty costs down associated with the injectors. Anything they can do to cut warranty costs, they will. I don't like hiring lawyers and such to get my truck fixed either.
With regards to fuel additives, the verdict was unanimous: They all said to NOT do this and that it would definitely void my warranty. I obviously wouldn't tell them I used one. I am not a complete moron. One even went on and on about how everytime someone comes in with a fuel delivery related problem on a diesel, they take a fuel sample and send it to "their lab" for analysis and that if a fuel additive is found (and they'll find it), the warranty is history. This sounds like a load of BS to me..
Also, I asked about if this was a common problem. Each said, no not really, it's not an epidemic. However, each had a similar story to tell (wonder if the story is given to them by GM) regarding trucks they have seen come in all dirty from a "construction site" with "high mileage" that clearly haven't been taken care of and they had injector failure. I interrupted to ask what they meant by "high mileage" to which the responses were 70-80K miles! Now that's NOT high mileage, sorry...
So, what gives? I either do something that will likely void my warranty knowing that it will protect my vehicle and make it last longer, or I do what GM says and basically let my engine wear out faster, and replace fuel injectors when it has "high mileage" at 70K miles or so.
What do you recommend for all of us common folks to do? I want my truck to last and not have to buy a set of 8 fuel injectors at $500 a pop when it reaches the 100,000 mile mark when it's out of warranty.
Thanks,
Tim White